TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2025, 5:01 P.M.
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5:06:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: -- INVOLVED IN THAT.
5:06:31PM SO I APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATION AND WILLINGNESS TO HELP THE
5:06:34PM CITY OF TAMPA GROW.
5:06:36PM CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
5:06:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
5:06:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
5:06:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
5:06:41PM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
5:06:42PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
5:06:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
5:06:45PM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
5:06:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:06:49PM A COUPLE OF NOTES.
5:06:50PM THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE AND A LOT OF PASSION HERE
5:06:53PM TODAY.
5:06:54PM JUST LIKE EARLIER WHEN I WAS TALKING, THERE'S A LOT OF
5:06:58PM CONVERSATION.
5:06:58PM KIND OF LIKE A COURT ROOM, WE'RE KIND OF EXPECTED TO BE
5:07:01PM QUIET BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LISTENING TO THE
5:07:03PM CONVERSATIONS.
5:07:04PM OUR CLERK IS HERE LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION, THE STAFF
5:07:07PM IS LISTENING, THEY NEED TO HEAR.
5:07:08PM WE NEED TO HEAR WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING SO WE CAN MAKE THE
5:07:11PM BEST DECISIONS POSSIBLE.
5:07:12PM IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, IF YOU COULD GO OUT TO THE ELEVATOR
5:07:17PM LOBBY AND YOU CAN SPEAK AS MUCH AS YOU WANT.
5:07:19PM IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING.
5:07:22PM ALSO, OUR ATTORNEY WILL READ SOME RULES, TOO.
5:07:24PM NO APPLAUSE NO CLICKING, NONE OF THAT STUFF EITHER.
5:07:28PM WE LISTEN AND WE LEARN.
5:07:29PM I'LL PREFACE THIS WITH SOME STUFF AND GO OUT ON A LIMB A
5:07:36PM LITTLE BIT.
5:07:37PM WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS THE PLANNING
5:07:40PM COMMISSION, AND WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING.
5:07:42PM IT'S BEEN WELL RECEIVED.
5:07:44PM WE READ ALL OF YOUR E-MAILS, THOSE OF YOU LISTENING.
5:07:47PM WE'VE HAD MANY -- IN FACT, MANY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL HAVE
5:07:51PM ATTENDED THE MEETINGS WHICH IS NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT WE
5:07:53PM HAVE DONE THAT BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS
5:07:56PM AND LISTEN TO WHAT MEMBERS ARE SAYING.
5:07:58PM I KNOW THAT THE FOLKS -- MY TRUSTED ADVISORS ARE NOT SHY.
5:08:03PM YES, I'M LOOKING AT STEPHANIE POYNOR.
5:08:06PM THEY SHARE THEIR INFORMATION WILDLY AND LOUDLY.
5:08:10PM WE ARE ALL HEARING.
5:08:11PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL.
5:08:12PM WE'RE ALL TRYING TO FIND THE BEST POSSIBLE PRODUCT AS WE
5:08:15PM MOVE FORWARD AS THE CITY OF TAMPA.
5:08:17PM I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKELY THAN NOT THAT THIS WILL
5:08:21PM NOT BE THE FINAL MEETING OF THIS PARTICULAR PLAN.
5:08:25PM I SUSPECT THAT THE WILL OF THIS COUNCIL WILL BE TO CONTINUE
5:08:29PM THIS PRODUCT TO A LATER DATE.
5:08:31PM THAT BEING SAID, WHAT I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE, THE
5:08:34PM PLANNING COMMISSION, CITY OF TAMPA AND EVERYBODY SITTING AT
5:08:36PM THE DAIS WOULD APPRECIATE, WHEN YOU COME BEFORE US TONIGHT
5:08:39PM AND SPEAK, LISTEN TO WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS
5:08:42PM PRESENTING.
5:08:42PM AND CHANGES, IF YOU HAVE VERY -- IF YOU HAVE PASSION ABOUT
5:08:46PM PARTICULAR ITEMS, THE MORE SPECIFIC THAT YOU CAN BE WOULD BE
5:08:50PM GREATLY APPRECIATED BECAUSE GENERALITIES ARE REALLY VERY
5:08:53PM TOUGH TO DEAL WITH.
5:08:54PM WHEN YOU COME BEFORE COUNCIL AND YOU'RE TALKING, IF YOU'RE
5:08:57PM ABLE TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE LIKE ABOUT THE PLAN, THIS IS
5:09:00PM WHAT WE DON'T LIKE IN A VERY SPECIFIC WAY.
5:09:02PM IF YOU DON'T ACCOMPLISH THAT TONIGHT, E-MAIL IT TO US.
5:09:06PM E-MAIL IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
5:09:09PM REALLY, BULLET POINTS WOULD BE GREAT, IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY
5:09:13PM LINES.
5:09:14PM I'VE ALREADY WORKED THROUGH THAT.
5:09:24PM >> CAN'T HEAR YOU.
5:09:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY SPECIFIC E-MAIL.
5:09:28PM AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE'RE HOPING TO PRODUCE THE
5:09:31PM BEST PRODUCT WE CAN, NOT JUST FOR THE PEOPLE THAT CURRENTLY
5:09:33PM LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA BUT OUR CHILDREN AND THE PEOPLE
5:09:36PM LIVING HERE LONG AFTER WE ARE GONE.
5:09:38PM CHARLIE AND I WILL BE GONE.
5:09:41PM I'LL BE GONE.
5:09:42PM CHARLIE WILL STILL BE HERE.
5:09:44PM HE'S LIKE A COCKROACH.
5:09:45PM HE'S NEVER GOING AWAY.
5:09:47PM THAT BEING SAID, I'LL HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE WORKSHOP.
5:09:51PM WE'LL COMBINE THE WORKSHOP AND THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR NUMBER
5:09:56PM 2.
5:09:59PM THANK YOU.
5:09:59PM I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA TO OPEN ONE AND TWO.
5:10:03PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:10:04PM ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
5:10:05PM ALL OPPOSED?
5:10:06PM I THINK THE BEST WAY WE'LL DO THIS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION
5:10:11PM IS GOING TO DO THEIR PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL HAVE Q & A
5:10:16PM FROM CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
5:10:17PM WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY -- BECAUSE WE'VE OPENED THEM UP,
5:10:21PM GENERALLY WE DON'T DO THE PUBLIC COMMENT -- WHAT I AGREED TO
5:10:25PM SOME OF THE FOLKS HAVE SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS.
5:10:28PM WHEN WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, IF YOU WISH TO HAVE ADDITIONAL
5:10:33PM TIME, SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS.
5:10:35PM MARTY SHELBY WILL COVER THIS IN A SECOND.
5:10:39PM WE'RE OPENING THEM BOTH TOGETHER.
5:10:41PM THEN WE'LL MOVE ON AFTER THAT TO ITEM 3 AND 4.
5:10:44PM THIS IS 1 AND 2 NOW AND THEN MOVE ON TO 3 AND 4.
5:10:47PM MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ YOUR RULES, PLEASE?
5:10:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, VERY BRIEFLY.
5:10:52PM THIS BEING AN EVENING MEETING, PLEASE BE REMINDED THAT A
5:10:56PM TIME LIMIT OF THREE MINUTES APPLIES TO ALL SPEAKERS
5:10:59PM PROVIDING PUBLIC COMMENT, BECAUSE AS THE CHAIRMAN HAS
5:11:02PM STATED, NUMBER TWO IS A PUBLIC HEARING COMBINED WITH THE
5:11:06PM WORKSHOP IN NUMBER ONE.
5:11:07PM WHEN YOU DO COME UP, IF YOU WISH TO HAVE ADDITIONAL TIME,
5:11:10PM YOU MAY DO SO USING A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
5:11:13PM THOSE SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS ARE LOCATED OUTSIDE THE CHAMBERS.
5:11:18PM THERE'S ROOM THERE FOR SEVEN ADDITIONAL NAMES OF PEOPLE.
5:11:25PM IF EACH OF THE PEOPLE PUT THEIR NAME, YOUR NAME AT THE TOP,
5:11:30PM WHEN YOU STEP FORWARD TO THE PODIUM, HAND ME THE SPEAKER
5:11:34PM WAIVER FORM AND I WILL CHECK OFF THE NAMES OF THOSE PEOPLE
5:11:36PM AND THE PEOPLE WHO SIGN OR PUT THEIR NAMES LEGIBLY, PLEASE,
5:11:41PM ON THE SHEET AS I CHECK YOU OFF, YOU ARE WAIVING YOUR THREE
5:11:45PM MINUTES TO GIVE THE SPEAKER AN ADDITIONAL ONE MINUTE.
5:11:48PM THEY HAVE THREE MINUTES OF THEIR OWN.
5:11:49PM IF SEVEN PEOPLE OR MAYBE ONE PERSON, IF ONE PERSON SIGNS,
5:11:53PM FOUR MINUTES, SEVEN PEOPLE SIGN, THEY GET TEN MINUTES.
5:11:59PM THAT WAY THOSE PEOPLE WHO PUT THEIR NAME ON THE SHEET MAY
5:12:03PM ONLY USE ONE PERSON TO WAIVE THEIR TIME, IF YOU CAN PUT YOUR
5:12:06PM NAME ON MULTIPLE SHEETS OF PAPER.
5:12:09PM I KEEP THAT IN FRONT AND TRY TO KEEP TRACK.
5:12:11PM PLEASE DO DO THAT.
5:12:13PM PLEASE, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, PLEASE BE REMINDED THAT
5:12:18PM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE TO REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE
5:12:21PM BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING MAKING VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS OR
5:12:24PM MAKING OR CAUSING DISRUPTIVE NOISES OR SOUNDS, SUCH AS LET'S
5:12:30PM SAY APPLAUSE.
5:12:32PM WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU PLEASE REFRAIN FROM THAT OR MAKING
5:12:36PM NOISES THAT WOULD DISRUPT THE PROCEEDING.
5:12:38PM THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS
5:12:40PM WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL
5:12:43PM FROM OUTSIDE THE SPEAKER WAIVER AREA WHERE WHEN THEY COME
5:12:47PM UP, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE SWORN IN.
5:12:49PM THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER.
5:12:51PM IT IS NOT QUASI-JUDICIAL.
5:12:53PM SO YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO BE SWORN, BUT YOU WILL BE RECOGNIZED
5:12:57PM BY THE CHAIR.
5:12:58PM PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH THE COUNCIL'S RULES MAY BE
5:13:01PM RULED OUT OF ORDER AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR MAY BE
5:13:04PM REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS EVENING'S
5:13:07PM MEETINGS.
5:13:08PM FINALLY, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A
5:13:13PM SPEAKER DIALOGUE, ALTHOUGH IF YOU DO HAVE QUESTIONS UNDER
5:13:18PM THE WORKSHOP SESSION, YOU WOULD BE PERMITTED TO DO THAT.
5:13:21PM IF COUNCIL DOES HAVE QUESTIONS, IN THAT YOU ARE COMBINING
5:13:24PM THE TWO ITEMS, YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, COUNCIL, IF
5:13:27PM YOU DO WISH TO PERSONALLY ASK QUESTIONS OF PEOPLE TO ELICIT
5:13:31PM MORE INFORMATION THAT MIGHT BE OF USE TO YOU.
5:13:33PM I THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:13:35PM THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION TO THE
5:13:39PM CITY COUNCIL.
5:13:39PM THANK YOU.
5:13:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL THAT IF YOU ASK
5:13:45PM SOMEONE A QUESTION IN THE WORKSHOP FORMAT, THAT WE LIMIT THE
5:13:49PM RESPONSE TO THREE MINUTES SO IT DOESN'T SPIRAL OUT OF
5:13:53PM CONTROL AND BECOME A PRESENTATION.
5:13:55PM THAT BEING SAID, PLANNING COMMISSION.
5:13:56PM IT IS YOUR SHOW.
5:14:01PM PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
5:14:14PM >> [INAUDIBLE] -- TONIGHT ON THE FUTURE LAND USE SECTION.
5:14:24PM WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF
5:14:27PM TAMPA PLANNING DEPARTMENT STAFF.
5:14:30PM SO I WANTED TO GIVE EVAN JOHNSON A FEW MOMENTS TO SAY SOME
5:14:33PM OPENING REMARKS.
5:14:35PM >> EVAN JOHNSON --
5:14:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
5:14:39PM CAN OUR CCTV, WHATEVER YOU GUYS ARE CALLED, CHECK OUR
5:14:46PM COUNCIL SCREENS, PLEASE?
5:14:47PM OKAY.
5:14:54PM VERY GOOD.
5:14:55PM WE SHOW THE PODIUM.
5:14:57PM THE SPEAKER PODIUM.
5:15:02PM IT'S A NEW CAMERA SETUP.
5:15:07PM SOMETHING IS HAPPENING.
5:15:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, DID YOU WANT THE OVERHEAD?
5:15:29PM THERE YOU GO.
5:15:31PM THANK YOU.
5:15:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CCTV, ARE YOU ABLE TO FOCUS ON THE SPEAKER
5:15:47PM PODIUM SO THEY SHOW UP ON THE TELEVISION FOR FOLKS AT HOME?
5:15:50PM EVAN ROSS IN HIGH DEFINITION, WITH THE HIGH DEFINITION
5:15:56PM CAMERAS.
5:15:56PM THERE WE GO.
5:15:59PM PERFECT.
5:15:59PM TAG, YOU'RE IT.
5:16:01PM >> EVAN JOHNSON, CITY OF TAMPA, CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
5:16:06PM WHILE THIS IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOW, I DID WANT TO
5:16:09PM TAKE A MOMENT JUST TO STEP UP AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
5:16:12PM HOW MUCH WE'VE COLLABORATED WITH THEM THROUGHOUT THE
5:16:14PM PROCESS.
5:16:15PM WE'RE EXCITED DESPITE WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK.
5:16:17PM I THINK WE'RE ALL REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE TO HEAR FROM YOU
5:16:21PM ALL, FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE WORK WE HAVE DONE.
5:16:24PM I'VE BEEN HERE FOR TWO YEARS.
5:16:25PM THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER THREE.
5:16:28PM SO THIS FEELS LIKE MY ENTIRE BEING HERE AT CITY PLANNING AT
5:16:31PM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
5:16:32PM I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THIS THING MOVING FORWARD.
5:16:35PM WE'VE BEEN COLLABORATING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION
5:16:37PM THROUGHOUT.
5:16:38PM PRETTY SURE THEY SET ASIDE OFFICE SPACE FOR US AT THEIR
5:16:41PM PLACE.
5:16:42PM IT'S BEEN A ROBUST AND PRODUCTIVE RELATIONSHIP.
5:16:46PM I'M REALLY EXCITED TO WORK WITH THEM AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH
5:16:49PM IMPLEMENTATION IN THE FUTURE.
5:16:51PM A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT THE PLAN, JUST TO KIND OF TAKE A
5:16:55PM STEP BACK.
5:16:56PM WE'RE PRIMARILY TALKING ABOUT ONE PART OF THE PLAN TONIGHT
5:16:58PM IN THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, BUT ULTIMATELY THE OVERALL
5:17:01PM PLAN, ALL THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS PROVIDE THE VISION AND THE
5:17:05PM FRAMEWORK FOR PUBLIC AND PRIVATE INVESTMENTS FOR THE NEXT 20
5:17:08PM YEARS.
5:17:09PM SO WHETHER IT IS PRIVATE DEVELOPERS WHICH I KNOW WE'LL HEAR
5:17:12PM A LOT ABOUT OR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH I ALSO KNOW
5:17:16PM WE'LL HEAR A LOT ABOUT TONIGHT, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE
5:17:18PM THE FRAMEWORK TO HELP US GROW MORE EFFICIENTLY AND MORE
5:17:22PM RESILIENT AND IN A MORE AFFORDABLE WAY.
5:17:24PM WE'VE BEEN HERE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THOSE ISSUES IN
5:17:28PM VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS.
5:17:28PM THIS REALLY IS THAT OVERARCHING FRAMEWORK TO DO SO.
5:17:34PM THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN INFORMED BY NOT ONLY PUBLIC
5:17:37PM ENGAGEMENT.
5:17:38PM I KNOW MELISSA WILL TALK A LOT ABOUT THAT IN HER
5:17:41PM PRESENTATION.
5:17:41PM NOT TOO MUCH, BUT A LOT.
5:17:43PM IT'S ALSO BEEN INFORMED BY A LOT OF WORK THAT THE CITY HAS
5:17:47PM DONE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
5:17:49PM DIFFERENT PLANNING EFFORTS, INCLUDING THE MOVES PLAN, THE
5:17:51PM PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN, THE COASTAL AREA ACTION
5:17:54PM PLAN AND HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT JUST TO NAME A FEW OF
5:17:58PM THEM.
5:17:59PM ALL OF THOSE HAVE EITHER BEEN ONGOING OR HELPED INFORM
5:18:03PM DIRECTLY THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE IN THE PLAN, THIS
5:18:05PM ELEMENT AND ALL THE OTHERS.
5:18:07PM WITH THAT, THE ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION WAS THAT
5:18:10PM I TALKED ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION.
5:18:12PM ONE OF THE FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT IMPLEMENTATION STEPS
5:18:16PM WHEN WE UPDATE THE PLAN AND ADOPT IT IS GOING TO BE THE
5:18:19PM UPDATE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
5:18:21PM SO THAT PROCESS HAS STARTED.
5:18:23PM WE'VE GOT ASSESSMENTS GOING ON.
5:18:24PM WE'VE GOT SOME INITIAL THOUGHTS FROM THE CONSULTANT TEAM.
5:18:27PM BUT ULTIMATELY THAT IS THE TOOL KIT, THAT ADOPTED CODE AND
5:18:31PM UPDATED ORDINANCE IS THE TOOL KIT THAT IMPLEMENTS THE LAND
5:18:33PM USE VISION IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
5:18:35PM I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND BECAUSE
5:18:38PM THERE IS A LOT OF INNOVATIVE, INTERESTING POLICY IN HERE
5:18:42PM THAT ULTIMATELY WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT
5:18:46PM CODE AND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
5:18:47PM SO I THINK WE'RE SETTING THE STAGE TONIGHT.
5:18:51PM MOVING FORWARD WE'LL PUT THE RIGHT TOOL KIT IN PLACE AND I
5:18:54PM BELIEVE WE'LL GET BETTER OUTCOMES AS A RESULT.
5:18:56PM WITH THAT, I'LL HAND IT BACK TO MELISSA BECAUSE IT IS HER
5:18:59PM SHOW.
5:19:00PM >> THANK YOU, EVAN.
5:19:01PM IT REALLY HAS BEEN A GREAT COLLABORATION WITH EVAN AND THE
5:19:05PM PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS CITY LEGAL IN COMING UP WITH
5:19:09PM THIS DRAFT.
5:19:12PM SO A COUPLE OF THINGS JUST STEPPING BACK AND TALKING ABOUT
5:19:16PM THE APPROACH TO THE UPDATE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
5:19:19PM THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN MANY YEARS THAT WE HAVE DONE A
5:19:23PM WHOLESALE REVIEW AND REVISION OF TAMPA'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
5:19:28PM AND INCLUSIVE OF THAT, THE FUTURE LAND USE SECTION.
5:19:31PM THERE IS A MAJOR EFFORT TO TRY TO STREAMLINE AND UPDATE,
5:19:37PM MODERNIZE THE LANGUAGE THAT IS WITHIN THE PLAN, AS WELL AS
5:19:40PM SOME OF THE CONCEPTS THAT ARE WITHIN THAT BUILDING UPON WHAT
5:19:44PM IS WORKING WITHIN THE PLAN AND TWEAKING THOSE THINGS THAT
5:19:48PM ARE NOT.
5:19:48PM AS I THINK YOU ALL HAVE HEARD US TALK ABOUT IT, SEVERAL OF
5:19:53PM THE PRESENTATIONS, IT IS OUR CHARGE TO UPDATE THE
5:19:58PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE A 20-YEAR PROJECTED
5:20:01PM POPULATION.
5:20:02PM SO WE LOOKED OUT TO 2045.
5:20:06PM THAT CALLS FOR ANOTHER APPROXIMATELY 74,000 MORE PEOPLE TO
5:20:11PM BE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
5:20:15PM I'VE SAID AT MANY PRESENTATIONS, THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE TODAY
5:20:18PM COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT POPULATION.
5:20:21PM THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP HAS ON THE MAP ENOUGH DENSITY TO
5:20:26PM ACCOMMODATE THAT.
5:20:27PM BUT A LOT OF THE AREAS ARE NOT BUILT OUT AT THE DENSITY THAT
5:20:31PM THE PLAN ALLOWS.
5:20:33PM SO, YES, THE PLAN COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT POPULATION IF WE
5:20:37PM REDEVELOPED A LOT OF THE RESIDENTIAL 10 AND MADE IT TEN
5:20:41PM UNITS PER ACRE.
5:20:41PM WHAT WE'VE HEARD THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN THAT
5:20:45PM PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT THAT.
5:20:47PM THEY DON'T WANT THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THEIR
5:20:51PM NEIGHBORHOODS, INTERNAL TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
5:20:54PM THEY WANT MORE PREDICTABILITY ABOUT WHERE THAT COULD GO SO
5:20:58PM IT'S NOT SO HODGEPODGE THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
5:21:01PM WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IN THIS UPDATE WAS INCENTIVIZE GROWTH,
5:21:05PM BECAUSE WE CAN'T TAKE DENSITY OFF OF THE FUTURE LAND USE
5:21:09PM MAP, AS I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD US SAY BEFORE ALSO, UNDER
5:21:14PM STATE STATUTE, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO REDUCE THE DEVELOPMENT
5:21:17PM RIGHTS.
5:21:17PM BUT WHAT WE CAN DO, THE TOOL IN OUR TOOLBOX IS TO
5:21:20PM INCENTIVIZE THE GROWTH, TO GO PLACES WHERE WE WANT IT.
5:21:24PM AND INCENTIVIZE THAT WHERE A DEVELOPMENT IS WILLING TO
5:21:29PM PROVIDE SOME PUBLIC BENEFIT.
5:21:31PM WE HEARD A LOT THAT PEOPLE DID NOT WANT US TO GIVE DENSITY
5:21:34PM AWAY FOR FREE.
5:21:35PM SO WE TRIED TO ALIGN OBTAINING A PUBLIC BENEFIT WITH THOSE
5:21:40PM DENSITY INCENTIVES.
5:21:41PM THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, AS ALREADY MENTIONED, WE WORKED
5:21:44PM CLOSELY WITH CITY STAFF BUT ALSO THE RESIDENTS AND OTHER
5:21:47PM STAKEHOLDERS.
5:21:49PM THAT WAS A REALLY IMPORTANT PROCESS, AND I'LL COVER THE
5:21:52PM OUTREACH A BIT MORE IN-DEPTH.
5:21:54PM BECAUSE THIS IS A WHOLESALE UPDATE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE
5:21:58PM SECTION, WE DO HAVE SEVEN REVISED GOALS WITHIN THE FUTURE
5:22:05PM LAND USE SECTION.
5:22:06PM AND I THINK WHAT YOU'LL HEAR TONIGHT IS THAT THE CONCERNS
5:22:12PM ARE NARROW WITHIN THIS.
5:22:14PM IT'S NOT CONCERN ABOUT ALL SEVEN GOALS.
5:22:17PM IT'S CONCERN LARGELY ABOUT A COUPLE OF THE POLICIES WITHIN A
5:22:21PM COUPLE OF GOALS.
5:22:23PM SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HERE THAT I THINK THERE'S SOME
5:22:28PM AGREEMENT ON AND THAT THERE IS A LOT OF POSITIVE MOMENTUM
5:22:33PM BEHIND.
5:22:33PM SO JUST TO QUICKLY REFRESH, GOAL ONE FOCUSES ON CITIZEN
5:22:38PM PARTICIPATION IN THE PLANNING PROCESS BECAUSE THAT IS THE
5:22:40PM FOUNDATION OF WHAT OUR PLAN SHOULD BE BUILT ON.
5:22:43PM GOAL TWO IS I THINK WHERE WE'LL PROBABLY HEAR A LOT OF THE
5:22:47PM COMMENTS TONIGHT ABOUT TRYING TO DIRECT THAT GROWTH, USING
5:22:53PM DENSITY INCENTIVES AND A NEW DENSITY BONUS STRUCTURE.
5:22:58PM GOAL THREE ESTABLISHES THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES.
5:23:03PM GOAL 4 TALKS ABOUT SOME OF OUR KEY ASSETS AND RECOGNIZING
5:23:09PM THOSE, PRESERVING THOSE, MAKING SURE THAT NOTHING
5:23:13PM DETRIMENTAL HAPPENS TO THEM.
5:23:15PM AND IT ALSO INCLUDES SOME NEW POLICIES ON RETENTION OF
5:23:18PM INDUSTRIAL LANDS.
5:23:20PM GOAL FIVE TALKS ABOUT ENHANCING TAMPA'S CHARACTER THROUGH
5:23:25PM URBAN DESIGN, BUILDING UPON POLICIES THAT ARE IN THE PLAN
5:23:28PM TODAY TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DESIGN
5:23:32PM ALONG OUR MAJOR CORRIDORS.
5:23:34PM GOAL SIX FOCUSES A LOT OF THE POLICY THAT IS TODAY
5:23:39PM THROUGHOUT THE PLAN ABOUT HISTORIC RESOURCES IN ONE GOAL.
5:23:44PM AND THEN GOAL SEVEN TALKS ABOUT THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA
5:23:48PM AND THE VULNERABILITY OF THAT AREA AND THE NEED TO DIRECT
5:23:51PM GROWTH AWAY FROM THAT AREA.
5:23:53PM WE'VE DONE A LOT OF OUTREACH AND HAD A LOT OF INPUT
5:24:00PM THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
5:24:03PM BEFORE YOUR MEETING IN MAY, WE HAD HAD OVER 30 MEETINGS.
5:24:08PM WE HAD FIVE WORKSHOPS AND PRESENTATIONS WITH YOU ALL.
5:24:13PM WE HEARD ABOUT A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES THAT EVAN SPOKE ABOUT,
5:24:16PM ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORE HOUSING CHOICES AND HOUSING
5:24:20PM AFFORDABILITY, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS.
5:24:26PM WE WERE AT THE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSING CRUNCH, AND THAT WAS A
5:24:31PM PRIMARY ISSUE THAT FOLKS WANTED US TO ADDRESS.
5:24:34PM WE ALSO HEARD ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORE TRANSPORTATION CHOICES
5:24:38PM AS WELL AS WE'RE DEALING WITH CONTINUED CONGESTION IN THE
5:24:41PM CITY.
5:24:41PM AND THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT MAINTAINING ENVIRONMENTAL ASSETS
5:24:45PM AND HAVING MORE CLARITY TO SOME OF THE AREAS THAT ARE IN THE
5:24:50PM PLAN TODAY A BIT VAGUE.
5:24:51PM THEN WE HAD OUR HEARING IN MAY WITH YOU ALL.
5:24:59PM YOU ASKED US TO GO BACK OUT TO THE PUBLIC TO GET SOME
5:25:02PM ADDITIONAL INPUT ON TWO ISSUES -- THE LOCATION OF TOWNHOMES
5:25:07PM IN THE RESIDENTIAL 10 FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY, AND THE
5:25:11PM TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS AND THE EXTENT TO WHICH THERE SHOULD
5:25:14PM BE DENSITY BONUSES ALONG THOSE.
5:25:17PM SO WE HEARD FROM A LOT OF FOLKS AND GOT A LOT OF REALLY
5:25:23PM GREAT INPUT.
5:25:26PM WE ATTENDED 15 MEETINGS, FOUR OF THOSE BEING THE COUNCIL
5:25:32PM DIRECTED DISTRICT MEETINGS.
5:25:35PM BUT WITH YOUR HELP AND SUPPORT, WE WERE ABLE TO MEET
5:25:39PM INDIVIDUALLY WITH A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS.
5:25:41PM REALLY APPRECIATE THAT A LOT OF YOU ALL WERE AT THOSE
5:25:44PM MEETINGS.
5:25:45PM THAT REALLY SHOWED THE SUPPORT OF COUNCIL IN THIS PROCESS.
5:25:48PM SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
5:25:49PM WE ALSO HAD AN ONLINE SURVEY THAT HAD 534 UNIQUE
5:25:57PM PARTICIPANTS IN IT.
5:25:59PM SO OVERALL, WE GOT NEARLY 1800 COMMENTS ON THESE TWO TOPICS,
5:26:06PM WHICH WAS GREAT.
5:26:08PM FOR A PLANNING PROJECT TO GET THAT KIND OF INPUT IS REALLY
5:26:11PM KIND OF REMARKABLE.
5:26:12PM WE'RE VERY THRILLED TO HAVE THAT INPUT, AND WE HEARD SOME
5:26:15PM COMMON THREADS.
5:26:16PM WE HEARD THAT PEOPLE WANT TO PROTECT THEIR SINGLE-FAMILY
5:26:19PM NEIGHBORHOODS.
5:26:20PM THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE AND FOLKS WHO WERE
5:26:22PM IMPACTED BY LAST YEAR'S STORMS, STILL FEELING THOSE IMPACTS
5:26:27PM AND BEING CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE WERE GOING TO ADDRESS THE
5:26:31PM INFRASTRUCTURE AND RESILIENCY NEEDS OF THE CITY.
5:26:34PM WE HEARD THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE ATTACHED
5:26:38PM SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS CLOSER TO THE MAJOR ARTERIALS AND
5:26:42PM TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS AND PEOPLE PREFERRED MORE LIMITED
5:26:48PM APPLICATION OF THE DENSITY BONUSES.
5:26:50PM SO THIS IS JUST A LITTLE TIMELINE OF THE MEETINGS.
5:26:55PM WE HAD THE FOUR DISTRICT MEETINGS, ONE VIRTUAL KICKOFF AND
5:26:59PM THEN WE PARTICIPATED IN NINE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.
5:27:03PM AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND HELP IN THOSE.
5:27:08PM SO THE FIRST TOPIC THAT WE HAVE SOME REVISIONS FOR YOU
5:27:12PM TONIGHT ON IS THE ISSUE OF TOWNHOMES IN THE RESIDENTIAL TEN
5:27:18PM LAND USE CATEGORY.
5:27:19PM WE ASKED FOR FEEDBACK ON THIS AND FOLKS WERE PRESENTED WITH
5:27:24PM FOUR OPTIONS.
5:27:24PM THE TOP CHOICE WAS PRETTY UNANIMOUS ACROSS BOTH THE SURVEY
5:27:28PM AND THE IN-PERSON ATTENDEES AT THE MEETINGS, THAT THEY WOULD
5:27:31PM LIKE TO SEE THAT NARROWED TO WITHIN A 16th OF A MILE OF
5:27:36PM THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR BOUNDARIES.
5:27:39PM STAFF HAS UPDATED THAT POLICY TO STATE THAT TOWNHOMES SHOULD
5:27:50PM PRIMARILY BE LOCATED WITHIN A 16th OF A MILE OF AN
5:27:54PM ARTERIAL ROADWAY.
5:27:55PM THIS REDUCED THE AREA FROM APPLYING TO 22,400 PARCELS IN THE
5:28:03PM PREVIOUS DRAFT TO NOW 5,400 PARCELS.
5:28:08PM IT WAS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION BY 76%.
5:28:11PM WE ALSO REMOVED FROM THIS PROPOSAL IDEA THAT HAD BEEN
5:28:17PM INCLUDED ABOUT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO ROUND UP THEIR DENSITY IN
5:28:22PM THAT AREA.
5:28:22PM THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HEARD PEOPLE WERE NOT IN FAVOR
5:28:25PM OF, FOUND CONFUSING.
5:28:28PM SO WE REMOVED THAT AS WELL.
5:28:30PM THESE UPDATES AND THE POLICY LANGUAGE THAT'S PROPOSED WE
5:28:36PM BELIEVE IT IS CLEAR THAT IT DOES NOT SUPERSEDE ANYTHING THAT
5:28:39PM IS ALREADY ENABLED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
5:28:43PM THERE ARE SOME AREAS IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS THAT HAVE A
5:28:45PM SPECIALIZED CODE THAT ENABLES ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS
5:28:49PM IN SOME AREAS OF RESIDENTIAL 10.
5:28:52PM IT ALSO DOES NOT PRECLUDE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FROM
5:28:56PM PERHAPS ADDING TO OTHER AREAS TO BE SIMILARLY CONSIDERED, OR
5:29:00PM ANYONE FROM ASKING FOR A REZONING OUTSIDE OF THAT 16th OF
5:29:06PM A MILE.
5:29:08PM IF THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES, PERHAPS
5:29:12PM THEY ARE IN AN AREA ADJACENT TO SOME VERY INTENSE
5:29:15PM DEVELOPMENT, THEY CAN STILL COME AND ASK COUNCIL FOR THAT
5:29:19PM REZONING.
5:29:20PM FINALLY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT RELATIONSHIP TO
5:29:26PM THE TOWNHOMES AND ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS, IT DOES NOT
5:29:31PM CHANGE THE DENSITY.
5:29:32PM THIS IS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE FORM THAT THE RESIDENTIAL 10
5:29:37PM DENSITY TAKES.
5:29:38PM TODAY, PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TEN UNITS PER ACRE ON THEIR
5:29:42PM PROPERTY.
5:29:42PM THEY WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED 10 UNITS PER ACRE ON THEIR
5:29:45PM PROPERTY.
5:29:46PM IT'S JUST TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE CITY IS DESIRING TO SEE
5:29:50PM THAT PERHAPS TAKE A FORM WHERE THEY ARE ATTACHED UNITS.
5:29:56PM I HAVE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES BECAUSE I THINK IT'S HELPFUL FOR
5:30:01PM ME TO VISUALIZE THINGS ON A MAP AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
5:30:05PM THE POLICY.
5:30:06PM HERE WE ARE LOOKING AT HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE.
5:30:09PM THIS IS 275 AND 40th STREET.
5:30:14PM THE BLUE IS THE PRIOR POLICY BEING APPLIED ON THE MAP.
5:30:18PM YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF ROADWAYS LIKE 15th
5:30:22PM STREET.
5:30:23PM I BELIEVE THIS IS HANNA AND THIS IS OSBORNE.
5:30:27PM THOSE WERE ALL COLLECTOR ROADWAYS.
5:30:30PM SO THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY INCLUDED IN THE CRITERIA.
5:30:33PM THE NEW CRITERIA, WHICH IS REPRESENTED HERE IN THE PINK,
5:30:36PM BECAUSE WE REMOVED COLLECTOR ROADWAYS, THOSE ARE TAKEN OFF
5:30:41PM OF THE MAP.
5:30:42PM THE NEXT EXAMPLE I HAVE IS AN AREA, WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT AT
5:30:50PM ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS IN NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL.
5:30:53PM WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT MORRISON.
5:30:56PM SO I FOCUSED IN ON THAT AREA HERE.
5:31:01PM AGAIN, THE BLUE, SHOWING PLACES NOT ONLY WHERE IT WAS
5:31:03PM ALLOWED ALONG A COLLECTOR ROADWAY, BUT ALSO AREAS THAT YOU
5:31:08PM COULD SEE CAME INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE IT WAS ADJACENT
5:31:11PM TO HIGHER DENSITY LAND USE CATEGORIES.
5:31:15PM AND THAT WAS MAKING FOR SOME STRANGE PATTERNS.
5:31:18PM BY REMOVING BOTH OF THE CRITERIA, YOU CAN SEE HOW IT'S BEEN
5:31:22PM LIMITED IN THIS AREA.
5:31:25PM SO THE NEXT TOPIC THAT YOU ASKED US TO LOOK INTO WAS THE
5:31:30PM TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS AND THE APPLICABILITY OF HOW THE
5:31:33PM DENSITY BONUSES SHOULD BE HANDLED ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS.
5:31:36PM WE PROVIDED THREE OPTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY.
5:31:40PM AND INTERESTINGLY, WE HAD A BIT OF A SPLIT IN THE TOP
5:31:45PM CHOICES.
5:31:45PM IN THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, THE TOP CHOICE WAS AN 8th OF A
5:31:49PM MILE OF THOSE ROADWAYS, BUT NOT ALLOWING THE BONUS IN THE
5:31:53PM RESIDENTIAL 10 LAND USE CATEGORY.
5:31:56PM AND ONLINE, THE TOP CHOICE WAS WITHIN A 16th OF A MILE.
5:32:02PM SO WE CAME UP WITH A BIT OF A HYBRID APPROACH ON THIS.
5:32:06PM WE TOOK A CLOSER STUDY OF ALL OF THE CORRIDORS AND
5:32:13PM IDENTIFIED THAT ALL OF THOSE CORRIDORS TODAY IN THE
5:32:17PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ARE CALLED TRANSIT EMPHASIS CORRIDORS.
5:32:20PM THAT'S AN ADOPTED CONCEPT THAT CALLS FOR THOSE ROADWAYS TO
5:32:27PM HAVE A PRIORITY TOWARDS HAVING BETTER DESIGN AND
5:32:30PM WALKABILITY.
5:32:31PM AND WE THOUGHT THAT WAS WORTH RETAINING FOR ALL OF THESE
5:32:35PM CORRIDORS.
5:32:36PM OF COURSE, HAVING TRCs AND TECs GETS PRETTY CONFUSING,
5:32:41PM SO WE UPDATED THE NAME TO CALL THEM MULTIMODAL CORRIDORS.
5:32:44PM THEN WE LOOKED AT THE LAND USE CONTEXT, ROADWAY
5:32:51PM CLASSIFICATION AND THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM THE COMMUNITY
5:32:54PM AND REMOVED FROM ELIGIBILITY SOME OF THE CORRIDORS FROM
5:32:58PM HAVING THAT DENSITY BONUS.
5:33:00PM WE REMOVED 15th STREET, HENDERSON BOULEVARD, MANHATTAN
5:33:05PM AVENUE, GANDY BOULEVARD, NORTH ARMENIA AVENUE NORTH OF BUSCH
5:33:09PM BOULEVARD AND HOWARD AVENUE SOUTH OF SWANN.
5:33:13PM WE ALSO NARROWED THE DEPTH OF THESE CORRIDORS IN THE
5:33:20PM RESIDENTIAL 10 LAND USE CATEGORY.
5:33:23PM WE NARROWED IT TO A 16th OF A MILE.
5:33:27PM THE COMBINATION OF ALL OF THOSE CHANGES RESULTED IN A 33%
5:33:31PM REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF PARCELS INCLUDED IN THE BONUS
5:33:35PM AREAS.
5:33:36PM SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, A MULTIMODAL CORRIDOR IS A PLACE THAT
5:33:43PM FOSTERS A BUILT ENVIRONMENT THAT SUPPORTS WALKING, BIKING,
5:33:47PM TRANSIT USAGE.
5:33:48PM IT HAS ENHANCED DESIGN AND THE MIX OF USES THAT SUPPORTS
5:33:52PM THAT.
5:33:54PM ROADS THAT ONLY HAVE THAT CLASSIFICATION WOULD NOT HAVE THE
5:33:57PM DENSITY BONUS.
5:33:58PM THE AREAS FOR THE DENSITY BONUS ARE A SUBSET OF THE
5:34:02PM MULTIMODAL CORRIDORS.
5:34:03PM YOU CAN SEE THAT SORT OF ON THIS MAP.
5:34:07PM IT MIGHT BE HARD TO SEE, BUT THE ROADWAYS THAT WERE REMOVED
5:34:09PM FROM HAVING THE DENSITY BONUS, YOU CAN SEE IN SORT OF A
5:34:12PM LIGHT YELLOW LINE.
5:34:15PM AND THE DENSITY BONUS AREAS ARE NOW SHOWN IN BLUE.
5:34:18PM I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF ZOOM-INS THAT WILL ILLUSTRATE THIS
5:34:21PM FURTHER.
5:34:21PM HERE IS THE AREA, NORTH ARMENIA AND BUSCH BOULEVARD AREA.
5:34:30PM SO THIS IS BUSCH BOULEVARD.
5:34:32PM THIS IS ARMENIA.
5:34:34PM HERE WE HAVE 275, AND THIS IS WATERS.
5:34:36PM THE BLUE, AGAIN, IS WHAT WAS PROPOSED PREVIOUSLY.
5:34:40PM THE RED IS THE NEW PROPOSAL.
5:34:45PM YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE REMOVED FROM NORTH ARMENIA BOULEVARD
5:34:49PM THE ELIGIBILITY FOR A DENSITY BONUS COMPLETELY.
5:34:52PM YOU ALSO CAN SEE ALONG, SAY, WATERS AVENUE AND BUSCH HOW THE
5:35:00PM NARROWING TO A 16th OF A MILE IN THE RESIDENTIAL 10
5:35:04PM NARROWS THE APPLICABILITY OF THOSE BONUSES ALONG THOSE
5:35:07PM CORRIDORS.
5:35:08PM THE NEXT EXAMPLE IS IN SOUTH TAMPA WHERE WE HAVE MANHATTAN,
5:35:17PM GANDY, AND DALE MABRY.
5:35:19PM AGAIN, THE BLUE IS THE PRIOR PROPOSAL AND THE RED IS THE
5:35:27PM NEW.
5:35:28PM YOU CAN SEE MANHATTAN AND GANDY TAKEN OFF.
5:35:30PM THE CORRIDOR ALONG DALE MABRY HAS NARROWED TO A 16th OF A
5:35:35PM MILE WHERE IT WAS RESIDENTIAL 10.
5:35:37PM I JUST WANT TO NOTE BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY BEEN A
5:35:39PM LOT OF FEEDBACK ABOUT US EVEN RETAINING ANY CORRIDORS IN
5:35:42PM SOUTH TAMPA.
5:35:43PM DALE MABRY IS A MAJOR ROADWAY CONNECTING VERY VITAL
5:35:50PM EMPLOYMENT CENTER IN OUR CITY OF MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
5:35:57PM THERE IS TRANSIT SERVICE ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.
5:36:00PM FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, WE FELT THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT
5:36:03PM REASON TO RETAIN THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.
5:36:05PM JUST A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT NOTES REGARDING THE BONUSES,
5:36:15PM AGAIN, THIS APPROACH WAS TO TRY TO FOCUS GROWTH AND
5:36:20PM INCENTIVIZE IT TO THE PLACES WHERE WE WANT IT TO GO AND TO
5:36:24PM WHERE -- AND IN A WAY THAT PROVIDES A PUBLIC BENEFIT.
5:36:28PM WE HEARD A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND
5:36:32PM ASKING FOR PLAN AMENDMENTS TO INCREASE DENSITY, AND THERE'S
5:36:36PM NO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC BENEFIT TO THAT PLAN AMENDMENT.
5:36:40PM THEY JUST GET THAT DENSITY.
5:36:42PM AND THAT THROUGH A BONUS STRUCTURE, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED
5:36:45PM TO PROVIDE SOME PUBLIC BENEFIT WITH THAT.
5:36:49PM THE BONUSES ARE NOT AUTOMATIC.
5:36:52PM THEY WOULD STILL UNDER THE CURRENT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE,
5:36:55PM THEY WOULD REQUIRE A REZONING AND A PUBLIC HEARING IN FRONT
5:36:58PM OF CITY COUNCIL.
5:37:01PM THEY ALSO IN ALL CASES, THE BONUSES THAT ARE PROPOSED ARE
5:37:06PM NOT ALLOWED WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
5:37:09PM WE RECOGNIZE THAT IS OUR MOST VULNERABLE AREA AND A PLACE
5:37:13PM WHERE WE SHOULD NOT BE DIRECTING ADDITIONAL GROWTH.
5:37:16PM THERE ARE A FEW AREAS THAT ARE CALLED OUT FROM THAT.
5:37:18PM THOSE ARE THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREAS, AREAS LIKE
5:37:22PM DOWNTOWN, WESTSHORE, AND THE CRAs WHERE WE HAVE VISIONS
5:37:27PM FOR ADDITIONAL GROWTH ALIGNING WITH THE REGIONAL ACTIVITY
5:37:31PM CENTERS AND THOSE CRA PLANS.
5:37:33PM LASTLY, FOR THOSE WATCHING AT HOME OR HAVEN'T GONE TO THE
5:37:41PM WEBSITE, THIS IS THE WEBSITE WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF
5:37:44PM INFORMATION.
5:37:45PM INTERACTIVE MAP WHERE PEOPLE CAN ZOOM IN.
5:37:47PM THAT'S WHAT WE USED TO MAKE THE ZOOM-INS AND SEE HOW THIS
5:37:50PM IMPACTS THEIR PROPERTY.
5:37:51PM WE ALSO HAVE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN SIGN UP FOR E-MAILS
5:37:55PM FROM US.
5:37:55PM AS WE CONTINUE THROUGH THAT PROCESS, I WOULD ENCOURAGE FOLKS
5:37:59PM INTERESTED TO SIGN UP FOR OUR E-MAIL LIST SO THEY CONTINUE
5:38:02PM TO GET UPDATES ON THE PLAN.
5:38:05PM FINAL REMINDER, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FIND THIS
5:38:09PM CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SUPPORTED
5:38:13PM TRANSMITTAL TO THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE.
5:38:15PM I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND HAVE MY
5:38:17PM FABULOUS TEAM OF STAFF, WHO HAVE WORKED SO HARD ON THIS WITH
5:38:22PM ME, TO HELP ME TONIGHT.
5:38:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'LL START WITH A COMMENT.
5:38:25PM I'VE SEEN IT.
5:38:31PM I KNOW HOW HARD YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING.
5:38:33PM THE HEART AND SOUL YOU HAVE PUT INTO THIS PROJECT.
5:38:36PM REALLY, AS FAR AS PUBLIC SERVANTS, YOU HAVE BEEN
5:38:42PM EXTRAORDINARY.
5:38:42PM WHETHER PEOPLE AGREE WITH SOME OF THE FINAL PRODUCTS OR NOT,
5:38:46PM NOBODY CAN DOUBT THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT AND WHAT YOU ALL HAVE
5:38:51PM ATTEMPTED TO DO WITH ALL POSITIVE INTENT.
5:38:53PM I NEVER EVEN DETECTED ANYTHING OTHER THAN POSITIVE INTENT.
5:38:59PM AGAIN IT MAY NOT BE IN LINE WITH MAYBE SOME FOLKS SITTING UP
5:39:03PM HERE, SITTING BEHIND YOU, WHAT THEY THINK.
5:39:06PM IF I EVER DOUBTED ANYBODY WORKING ON THE PLAN, HAS DONE SO
5:39:09PM WITH THEIR COMPLETE HEART AND SOUL.
5:39:12PM THANK YOU.
5:39:13PM ON BEHALF OF ALL OF US, THANK YOU.
5:39:16PM >> THANK YOU.
5:39:16PM I WAS REMISS IN ONE THING.
5:39:18PM SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ HAD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS SHE WANTED TO
5:39:21PM MAKE.
5:39:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK BECAUSE I KNOW SHE
5:39:26PM DOES, IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING MAYBE IN
5:39:29PM TALLAHASSEE AS WELL.
5:39:30PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
5:39:33PM I DID WANT TO MENTION SENATE BILL 180.
5:39:36PM I BELIEVE YOU ARE AWARE OF THE LEGISLATION THAT WENT INTO
5:39:38PM EFFECT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR OUTREACH PROCESS IN THE
5:39:41PM SUMMER.
5:39:41PM WENT INTO EFFECT ON JULY 1st.
5:39:44PM IT PRECLUDES THE CITY, LIKE MANY OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN THE
5:39:50PM STATE, FROM PROPOSING OR ADOPTING ANY MORE RESTRICTIVE OR
5:39:55PM MORE BURDENSOME, EITHER LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATION OR
5:39:59PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS.
5:40:00PM SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THIS EVENING
5:40:03PM SO THAT WOULD BE -- FALL WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF SENATE BILL
5:40:07PM 180.
5:40:08PM WE'LL BE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE STAFF TO REALLY DO A DEEP
5:40:12PM DIVE INTO THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT AND DETERMINE WHETHER SOME
5:40:16PM POLICIES WOULD CLEARLY RUN AFOUL OF THAT OR WHETHER THEY ARE
5:40:20PM CLARIFYING POLICIES AND KIND OF WHAT BUCKET THEY FALL INTO.
5:40:24PM RIGHT NOW, WE'RE -- ALL OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, WE'VE HAD
5:40:30PM CONVERSATIONS WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND OTHER
5:40:32PM MUNICIPALITIES.
5:40:32PM WE'RE ALL STRUGGLING WITH WHAT THAT TERM MORE RESTRICTIVE OR
5:40:36PM MORE BURDENSOME MEANS.
5:40:37PM I THINK EVERYBODY IS BECAUSE THERE'S VERY LITTLE GUIDANCE.
5:40:40PM I THINK IN THE WEEKS AND MONTHS TO COME, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET
5:40:43PM MORE GUIDANCE ABOUT THAT AND WE'LL BE BETTER ABLE TO MAKE A
5:40:46PM DETERMINATION ON NOT JUST THIS, BUT OTHER MATTERS THAT YOU
5:40:49PM ALL HAVE PENDING BEFORE YOU.
5:40:50PM I'LL REMIND COUNCIL, WE ARE DO BACK, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS
5:40:55PM BACK AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER WITH A MORE ROBUST REPORT ON
5:40:59PM THIS MATTER.
5:41:00PM I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME OR AS WE WORK
5:41:03PM OUR WAY THROUGH THE EVENING.
5:41:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HENCE WHY I WAS SO CONFIDENT WE WOULD
5:41:07PM CONTINUE THIS ITEM.
5:41:08PM COUNCIL, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM PLANNING
5:41:10PM COMMISSION STAFF OR SUSAN?
5:41:17PM >>BILL CARLSON: ARE WE ASKING QUESTIONS OR MAKING OPENING
5:41:19PM STATEMENTS?
5:41:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S ASK QUESTIONS.
5:41:25PM WE'LL HAVE TIME TO PONTIFICATE LATER.
5:41:27PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:41:28PM >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE A LOT I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THIS AND I
5:41:31PM ECHO THE THANKS TO YOU ALL FOR BEING INVOLVED IN LISTENING
5:41:34PM TO THE PUBLIC AND GOING TO ALL THE MEETINGS.
5:41:37PM YOU DIDN'T JUST GO TO YOUR MEETINGS, YOU WENT TO THE
5:41:40PM NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.
5:41:42PM I WENT TO MOST OF THE MEETINGS, AS DID YOU.
5:41:46PM GREAT THAT YOU AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WENT TOO.
5:41:48PM YOU PRESENTED THAT WE HAD TWO QUESTIONS FROM THE MAY
5:41:54PM MEETING.
5:41:54PM I REMEMBER THAT WE HAD MORE CONVERSATIONS.
5:41:57PM MAYBE WE PASSED AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF TWO QUESTIONS.
5:42:01PM BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, THE PUBLIC WANTED TO HAVE A
5:42:06PM CONVERSATION ABOUT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.
5:42:08PM ONE OF THE PIECES OF FEEDBACK WE HEARD WAS ON THE
5:42:10PM QUESTIONNAIRE, THAT IT WAS TOO LIMITED AND ALSO BY HAVING
5:42:14PM MULTIPLE CHOICES, THERE WERE OTHER CHOICES, LIKE NONE OF THE
5:42:17PM ABOVE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO
5:42:20PM PROVIDE INPUT ON OTHER THINGS.
5:42:21PM SO I THINK EVEN THOUGH YOU DID A GREAT JOB OF GOING OUT,
5:42:25PM SOMEHOW, IF WE GAVE YOU INSTRUCTIONS TO ONLY LOOK AT TWO
5:42:28PM THINGS, THEN IT'S OUR FAULT.
5:42:30PM BUT AS WE GO FORWARD, I'M JUST MENTIONING THIS NOT TO PLACE
5:42:33PM BLAME, BUT TO SAY WHATEVER INSTRUCTIONS WE GIVE TONIGHT, WE
5:42:37PM NEED TO BE REALLY CLEAR WHAT THE CONSENSUS IS.
5:42:40PM I'M CERTAIN IT WILL BE MORE THAN TWO POINTS AND WE NEED TO
5:42:43PM REALLY LISTEN TO THE BROAD PERSPECTIVE OF THE PUBLIC AS WE
5:42:45PM GO FORWARD.
5:42:46PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE THINK OF IT IN THAT CONTEXT.
5:42:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I BELIEVE YOU MADE THE PLANNING COMMISSION
5:42:52PM STAFF VERY HAPPY.
5:42:53PM THAT IS THEIR SPECIFIC REQUEST TOO.
5:42:56PM THEY WOULD LIKE VERY SPECIFIC GUIDANCE OF WHAT COMES OUT OF
5:42:59PM TONIGHT, NOT GENERAL COMMENTS, BUT VERY SPECIFIC GUIDANCE SO
5:43:04PM THEY CAN COME BACK WITH -- VERY GOOD.
5:43:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO QUESTIONS.
5:43:11PM I WAS GOING TO SAVE MY COMMENTS.
5:43:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF THAT IS THE CASE, ONE OF TWO THINGS,
5:43:19PM ANYTHING ELSE FROM STAFF?
5:43:20PM WE COULD WAIT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE
5:43:24PM ADVISABLE BEFORE COUNCIL COMMENTS, PONTIFICATES.
5:43:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
5:43:36PM I'VE MET -- LIKE SEVERAL OF MY COLLEAGUES, I'VE BEEN TO ALL
5:43:41PM OF THE DISTRICT ONES BECAUSE I'M CITYWIDE AND I WENT TO MANY
5:43:44PM NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS.
5:43:45PM I THINK I WENT TO TEN OF THE MEETINGS AND HEARD PRETTY MUCH
5:43:48PM THE SAME THING THROUGHOUT.
5:43:50PM IN SOME AREAS AND SOME IN NOT.
5:43:54PM ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE PLANNING
5:43:56PM COMMISSION ON THIS AS WELL, IT DOES SEEM WE WILL MOST LIKELY
5:44:02PM BE CONTINUING THIS TO ALLOW FOR MORE ENGAGEMENT OR NOT EVEN
5:44:05PM MORE ENGAGEMENT, BUT A RECONFIGURATION OF THE PLAN TO ANSWER
5:44:10PM A LOT OF THE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
5:44:14PM I HAVE AN OUTLINE FOR A MOTION THAT DOES THAT VERY THING,
5:44:18PM BUT WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR, AS THE CHAIR SAID, VERY
5:44:22PM SPECIFIC DETAILS ON THE TYPES OF THINGS WE WOULD WANT
5:44:25PM CHANGED.
5:44:25PM I HAVE A BASIC OUTLINE OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD
5:44:28PM OVER THE COMMENTS, BUT, AGAIN, REALLY LOOKING FOR VERY
5:44:35PM SPECIFIC THINGS.
5:44:37PM I WILL READ A COUPLE OF THINGS, BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAD A LOT
5:44:42PM OF E-MAIL ABOUT ONE SPECIFIC AREA.
5:44:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO
5:44:52PM HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE THEN WE CAN TAKE THEIR INPUT AND
5:44:57PM MAKE OUR ASSESSMENTS BASED ON THE FACTS FROM LEGAL, PLANNING
5:45:00PM COMMISSION, PUBLIC AND THEN MAKE OUR DETERMINATIONS AFTER
5:45:03PM THAT, I THINK IT WOULD BE THE CLEANER WAY TO DO THAT.
5:45:06PM MR. SHELBY, DO YOU CONCUR WITH THAT ASSESSMENT?
5:45:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
5:45:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ONLY REASON I SAY I WOULD LIKE TO GET A
5:45:17PM LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC IS I DON'T WANT FOLKS COMING UP HERE
5:45:21PM SAYING WE DON'T WANT IT IN ONE PLACE.
5:45:23PM WE NEED TO HEAR MORE SPECIFIC FEEDBACK.
5:45:30PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST ON THIS, I THINK IT'S WORTH US THROWING
5:45:35PM OUT LIKE A HYPOTHETICAL, THEN THE AUDIENCE CAN ALSO GIVE US
5:45:41PM FEEDBACK.
5:45:41PM ONCE WE MAKE THE STATEMENTS LATER, THEY CAN'T GIVE US
5:45:45PM FEEDBACK ON WHAT WE SAID EITHER.
5:45:47PM WE MAY SOMETHING, THEY MAY GET UP AND DISAGREE AND GIVE US A
5:45:50PM DIFFERENT WAY OF THINKING ABOUT IT.
5:45:52PM I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT MAYBE EACH OF US TALK FOR TWO MINUTES
5:45:55PM TO PUT OUT INITIAL THOUGHTS AND THEN HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC
5:45:57PM AND THEN HAVE OUR FINAL COMMENTS.
5:45:59PM IT'S UP TO YOU.
5:46:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AGAIN, I DIDN'T WANT TO DRAW ANY
5:46:06PM CONCLUSIONS UNTIL WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC.
5:46:08PM WE CAN DO THAT IF THEY WOULD LIKE.
5:46:10PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO KICK US OFF?
5:46:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, TWO-MINUTE TIMER IS FINE.
5:46:16PM MODIFYING TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR BONUSES TO REMOVE
5:46:21PM APPLICATION OF THE BONUS ON ALL STREETS SOUTH OF KENNEDY,
5:46:25PM FOCUSING THE TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR DENSITY INCENTIVES ON
5:46:28PM THE REST OF CENTRAL TAMPA, WESTSHORE AND THE UNIVERSITY
5:46:31PM PLANNING DISTRICTS, EVALUATE THE EXTENT TO WHICH INNOVATIVE
5:46:35PM HOUSING TOOLS LIKE THE ROUNDING POLICY CAN BE BROUGHT BACK
5:46:38PM WITH LIMITED APPLICATION AND PORTIONS OF THE CENTRAL TAMPA,
5:46:42PM WESTSHORE AND UNIVERSITY PLANNING DISTRICTS.
5:46:45PM RECONSIDER TABLE 3 FOR MAXIMUM DENSITY AND INTENSITY.
5:46:50PM WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THAT.
5:46:51PM RECONSIDER THE TOWNHOME CORRIDORS IN A DIFFERENT WAY SINCE
5:46:56PM WHAT WE HAVE HEARD THAT WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE, PEOPLE LIKE --
5:47:02PM WHEN I SPOKE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE TALKED A LOT
5:47:04PM ABOUT THE FACT THAT A COLOR ON A MAP IS WHAT FOLKS ARE
5:47:08PM GRAVITATING TOWARD WHEN THE LANGUAGE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS
5:47:11PM AND THAT WE AREN'T TAKING OUT IS THAT LIMITED TOWNHOMES ARE
5:47:15PM ALLOWABLE THROUGHOUT.
5:47:17PM WE CAN'T TAKE THAT OUT SB 180.
5:47:24PM WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE WHAT WE HAVE IN BUT NOT ADDING ANY MORE
5:47:27PM IN THAT REGARD.
5:47:28PM THOSE ARE INITIAL THINGS I HEARD THAT I'D LIKE TO FOCUS
5:47:32PM TOWARD.
5:47:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
5:47:35PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:47:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK THERE WAS A BIG SHIFT BETWEEN THE
5:47:40PM MEETING WE HAD BEFORE MAY AND THE VERSION THAT HAPPENED IN
5:47:43PM MAY.
5:47:44PM IT SEEMED LIKE SOMETHING MAJOR HAPPENED IN BETWEEN.
5:47:47PM I STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT WHAT IT WAS.
5:47:50PM BUT THERE WAS A RADICAL SHIFT IN THE WAY THINGS WERE LOOKED
5:47:52PM AT.
5:47:53PM BY THE WAY, MY INITIAL REQUEST, AND I'M ONLY ONE OF SEVEN,
5:47:56PM BUT MY INITIAL REQUEST AND SUGGESTION, BECAUSE I USED TO DO
5:48:00PM PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FOR A LIVING, WE GO NEIGHBORHOOD BY
5:48:03PM NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE BEGINNING.
5:48:04PM WE ENDED UP GOING BACKWARD AND DOING THAT TO SOME EXTENT.
5:48:08PM EVERYBODY SEES THE BENEFIT OF DOING IT.
5:48:10PM COSTS MORE, TAKES MORE TIME.
5:48:11PM THIS NEEDS TO BE DRIVEN BY THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE PEOPLE
5:48:13PM THAT LIVE THERE AND PEOPLE THAT INVESTED THERE, NOT BY THE
5:48:16PM CONSULTANT AND NOT BY STAFF AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR
5:48:19PM THE CITY.
5:48:19PM THIS NEEDS TO BE DRIVEN AROUND THE PEOPLE OF OUR COMMUNITY
5:48:23PM AND THE INVESTORS IN OUR COMMUNITY, NOT BY CONSULTANTS,
5:48:26PM ESPECIALLY FROM OUTSIDE.
5:48:28PM IF WE HAD GONE NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT I HAD
5:48:31PM SUGGESTED IS THAT WE TRY TO ASK NEIGHBORHOODS, WHERE WOULD
5:48:34PM YOU ALLOW A LITTLE POCKET OF DENSITY?
5:48:36PM WE WOULD CALL THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
5:48:39PM AND THAT IS A TERM THAT TWO PLANNERS GAVE ME.
5:48:42PM AND THAT TERM A YEAR AGO WAS IN THE PLAN AND THEN SUDDENLY
5:48:46PM BY THE MAY EDITION IT WAS OUT.
5:48:48PM THE QUESTION IS, WHO DID THAT?
5:48:50PM THEN ANOTHER TERM CALLED TRANSIT READY DEVELOPMENT THAT
5:48:55PM MEANT LITTLE NODES, TRANSPORTATION PEOPLE CALL IT NODES,
5:48:58PM NODES OF DENSITY WHERE YOU CAN HAVE TRANSIT.
5:49:01PM TRANSIT READY DEVELOPMENT SUDDENLY -- AND THAT WAS TO
5:49:04PM REPLACE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, A TERM -- SALES TAX.
5:49:09PM THESE IDEAS WERE TAKEN OUT AND CHANGED RADICALLY.
5:49:13PM THE COMMUNITY HAS TOLD US IN SOUTH TAMPA IN PARTICULAR,
5:49:17PM NOTHING ON DALE MABRY.
5:49:19PM DALE MABRY IS AN EVACUATION CORRIDOR, UP TO KENNEDY, WE
5:49:22PM CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING.
5:49:23PM MY SON GOES TO SCHOOL NEXT TO MacDILL.
5:49:26PM TRY TO DRIVE NEXT TO THE CENTER OF THE HEART AND MIND OF
5:49:30PM WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST WITH THE UNITED STATES,
5:49:32PM TRY TO DRIVE ANYWHERE SOUTH OF GANDY ANY DAY AND YOU'RE
5:49:36PM STUCK IN TRAFFIC ALL THE WAY UP TO KENNEDY.
5:49:39PM IT IS MAXED OUT.
5:49:40PM WE CAN'T HAVE ANY MORE.
5:49:41PM WE'LL TALK MORE LATER.
5:49:42PM THANK YOU.
5:49:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
5:49:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:49:45PM WHAT I THINK I HEARD AT THE BEGINNING WAS MORE ALLOWABLE
5:49:49PM DENSITY IS NOT NECESSARY TO MEET THE POPULATION GROWTH
5:49:53PM EXPECTATIONS FROM NOW TO 2045.
5:49:56PM WE CAN DO WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO MEET THOSE EXPECTED GOALS,
5:50:00PM NUMBERS, POPULATION COMING IN.
5:50:02PM PEOPLE WANT PREDICTABILITY.
5:50:06PM I THINK THIS IS SO -- THIS IS SUCH A BIG PLAN, PEOPLE GOT
5:50:11PM SCARED.
5:50:12PM IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY, ESPECIALLY WITH LAST YEAR'S
5:50:16PM HURRICANES, COASTAL HIGH HAZARD, AREAS PRONE TO FLOODING.
5:50:20PM WE'VE SEEN THE DAMAGE THAT HAS HAPPENED.
5:50:24PM IT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT 1/16th OF A MILE.
5:50:28PM WHAT IS 1/16th OF A MILE OFF AN ARTERIAL ROADWAY IS 330
5:50:33PM FEET.
5:50:34PM AN AVERAGE CITY BLOCK IN MANHATTAN IS 264 FEET.
5:50:37PM CHICAGO, 330 FEET.
5:50:40PM JUST TO GIVE YOU SCALE WHAT IS 330 FEET GOING INTO A
5:50:44PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
5:50:45PM THERE IS THE HISTORIC NATURE OF MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
5:50:48PM I WAS CONTACTED BY SOMEONE SATURDAY MORNING AROUND 7 A.M.
5:50:51PM CONCERNED ABOUT ARMENIA, HOWARD, WEST TAMPA, NORTH HYDE
5:50:56PM PARK.
5:50:57PM I'M BORN IN WEST TAMPA.
5:50:59PM IF YOU HEAR ME TALK UP HERE, I TALK ABOUT TAMPA'S HISTORY.
5:51:03PM AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN GOAL 6.
5:51:06PM I DON'T KNOW IF I MISUNDERSTOOD, IT SAID PROTECT THE CITY'S
5:51:10PM HISTORIC RESOURCES.
5:51:11PM NOT JUST RESOURCES, THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF MANY OF OUR
5:51:15PM NEIGHBORHOODS.
5:51:16PM REGARDING THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, MANAGE THE GROWTH.
5:51:22PM IT HAS OFTEN BEEN SAID WE'RE FULL SOUTH OF GANDY.
5:51:25PM SOUTH TAMPA IS FULL.
5:51:26PM AGAIN, WE LEARNED A LOT FROM THE HURRICANES LAST YEAR.
5:51:29PM WE SEE THE AREAS MOST VULNERABLE AND MOST PRONE TO DAMAGE
5:51:33PM WITH STORMS, STORM SURGE, FLOODING.
5:51:37PM TAMPA HAS GROWN SIGNIFICANTLY.
5:51:39PM POPULATION CLOSE TO 400,000 PEOPLE BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE
5:51:43PM SEE THE TRAFFIC.
5:51:45PM WE SEE THE CONGESTION.
5:51:47PM WE SEE ALL THE GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING AND WE HAVE TO BE
5:51:50PM CAREFUL MOVING FORWARD.
5:51:51PM I'LL RESERVE MY TIME FOR NEXT COMMENTS.
5:51:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
5:51:56PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:51:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALONG THOSE LINES, WHEN YOU LOOK AT
5:51:59PM DIFFERENT CHANGES, MANY YEARS AGO, KIDS WOULD WALK TO
5:52:02PM SCHOOL.
5:52:04PM NOW, EVERYBODY RIDES TO SCHOOL, EITHER THE BUS OR BY THE
5:52:08PM PARENTS' CAR.
5:52:10PM LOOK AT THE ACADEMY OF HOLY NAMES, LOOK WHAT HAPPENS IN THE
5:52:14PM MORNING AND DISCHARGING IN THE AFTERNOON.
5:52:15PM YOU CAN'T GET IN AND OUT WITHOUT TWO TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
5:52:19PM LOOK AT ROOSEVELT.
5:52:22PM LOOK AT WILSON.
5:52:23PM LOOK AT THE SCHOOL ON ARMENIA AND OSBORNE.
5:52:28PM THEY TAKE ONE WHOLE LANE ON ARMENIA FOR BLOCKS.
5:52:33PM SO WE HAVE THROUGH THE WAY THAT WE LIVE, A CHANGE ON HOW WE
5:52:39PM LIVE.
5:52:40PM AND THESE THINGS WE CREATED OURSELVES, ALL OF US.
5:52:43PM MY KIDS ALL GROWN UP.
5:52:48PM SOMEBODY IS DOING SOMETHING THAT WASN'T DONE BEFORE.
5:52:51PM WE HAVE MUCH MORE AMENITIES TO DO.
5:52:54PM EVERY HOUSE THREE AND FOUR CARS WHEN I WAS GROWING UP.
5:52:59PM SHOW YOU ANY HOUSE YOU WANT AND IT HAS AT LEAST TWO OR THREE
5:53:02PM CARS ON IT.
5:53:03PM WHERE I LIVE, GUY NEXT TO ME HAS EIGHT CARS ON IT.
5:53:07PM I DON'T KNOW WHO LIVES THERE BUT THERE'S EIGHT CARS.
5:53:10PM IT'S HOW IT IS.
5:53:11PM IT'S SOMETHING NATURE HAS GIVEN US.
5:53:17PM THE RIGHT TO RIDE, RIGHT TO BE FREE, RIGHT TO WALK.
5:53:20PM I'M NOT SO CERTAIN ABOUT FREE ANYMORE.
5:53:22PM BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS I SEE.
5:53:24PM BY THE WAY, COMPLIMENTARY TO BOTH THE AUDIENCE THAT'S HERE
5:53:28PM TODAY THAT WERE THERE AT ALL THE MEETINGS AND THE PLANNING
5:53:30PM COMMISSION.
5:53:30PM NEVER ANY ADVERSITY.
5:53:34PM A LOT OF GIVE AND TAKE.
5:53:35PM I ENJOYED SITTING BACK AND WATCHING.
5:53:39PM SOMETHING THAT WILL BE WORKED OUT TONIGHT OR TOMORROW AND
5:53:42PM COME OUT I THINK TO THE BETTERMENT OF ALL SOCIETY.
5:53:45PM WE'RE WORKING ON IT.
5:53:46PM IF NOT TODAY, ANOTHER DAY WILL COME WITH RESOLUTION TO MAKE
5:53:49PM SURE WE GET WHAT WE NEED AND ALSO NOT HARM THE
5:53:54PM NEIGHBORHOODS.
5:53:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
5:53:55PM CAN AM OF THOUGHTS.
5:53:59PM I WANT TO REITERATE WHEN I RAN A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS AGO
5:54:03PM STANDING ON THE STAGE AT THE GARDEN CLUB, I COINED THE
5:54:06PM PHRASE, SOUTH TAMPA IS FULL.
5:54:08PM I STARTED IT.
5:54:10PM SORRY, PLANNING COMMISSION.
5:54:11PM THAT CAME FROM ME.
5:54:13PM I STAND BY THAT.
5:54:15PM I KNOW THE STREETS ARE FULL.
5:54:16PM SPECIFICALLY OUR SCHOOLS ARE FULL.
5:54:20PM I HAVEN'T HEARD EVEN A RUMOR THEY WILL TRY TO BUILD A SCHOOL
5:54:25PM IN SOUTH TAMPA.
5:54:26PM THE ROADS ARE FULL.
5:54:28PM TRY TO DRIVE DOWN MacDILL WHEN HOLY ACADEMY GETS OUT OR
5:54:32PM TRY TO GO DOWN HENDERSON BOULEVARD OR EVEN DALE MABRY, AS
5:54:36PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID.
5:54:37PM IT'S JUST BRUTAL.
5:54:39PM I WILL SAY, THOUGH, I'M DETECTING IN A LOT OF E-MAILS AND
5:54:44PM PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT I'VE SEEN AT THE HEARINGS, PEOPLE ARE
5:54:46PM PESSIMISTIC ABOUT TRANSIT.
5:54:49PM TRANSIT IS COMING TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
5:54:51PM WE ARE RIGHT NOW PURSUING BUILDING -- I'M GOING TO HIT THAT
5:54:55PM -- WE ARE WORKING ON EXTENDING THE STREETCAR.
5:54:58PM THAT'S HAPPENING UP THROUGH TAMPA HEIGHTS.
5:55:00PM SO THAT IS HAPPENING ON FLORIDA AND TAMPA STREETS.
5:55:04PM GOING TO BE THEE TIMES MORE -- THREE TIMES MORE RAIL AND
5:55:08PM STREETCAR THAN THERE IS TODAY.
5:55:10PM SOMETHING CALLED THE REGIONAL ACCELERATE GRANT PROGRAM THAT
5:55:13PM STARTED WITH THE FIRST TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, CONTINUED
5:55:15PM THROUGH THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION AND CONTINUES THROUGH THIS
5:55:18PM TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
5:55:19PM IT IS AN AMAZING PROCESS OF BEING ABLE TO FINANCE LARGER
5:55:23PM SCALE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAMS.
5:55:25PM TAMPA WAS ACCEPTED INTO THAT PROGRAM RECENTLY.
5:55:27PM SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO DO INCREMENTAL -- WE'LL BE
5:55:33PM ABLE TO DO BRT, THE RAPID BUS TRANSIT.
5:55:37PM WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO AS WE'VE BEEN HEARING THE AIRPORT TO
5:55:40PM DOWNTOWN AND POSSIBLY BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF FINANCING, WE
5:55:42PM CAN CONTINUE THAT ALL THE WAY UP TO USF.
5:55:45PM SO THE TRANSIT IS COMING, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE
5:55:48PM TRANSIT IF YOU HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES ALONG THAT ROUTE.
5:55:51PM YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE DENSITY TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT
5:55:55PM TRANSIT.
5:55:55PM WE HAVE THE ABILITY.
5:55:56PM WE HAVE THE TOOLS.
5:55:57PM IT'S COMING TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
5:56:00PM IT WILL HAPPEN BEFORE I DIE.
5:56:02PM I PROMISE YOU THAT.
5:56:03PM LOUIS IS BACK.
5:56:07PM WE'RE JUST GENERAL COMMENTS.
5:56:09PM TWO MINUTES.
5:56:13PM >>LUIS VIERA: SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:56:14PM I OBVIOUSLY READ ALL THE E-MAILS AND SO FORTH.
5:56:17PM I THINK THE BIG CONCERN WITH PEOPLE, CHAIRMAN CLENDENIN, WAS
5:56:21PM TALKING ABOUT THE TRANSIT ISSUE.
5:56:23PM HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HEAR IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, IN
5:56:25PM OUR REGION AND PROBABLY THROUGHOUT ALL OF FLORIDA OR
5:56:28PM THROUGHOUT MUCH OF FLORIDA, WE GROW, GROW, GROW, BUT WE
5:56:31PM BUILD, BUILD, BUILD AND GROW BUT THEN WE DON'T BUILD THE
5:56:34PM REQUISITE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED WHEN IT COMES TO
5:56:38PM PARKS, PUBLIC SAFETY, FIRE, COPS, AND WHEN IT COMES TO OUR
5:56:41PM ROADS.
5:56:42PM I'VE SEEN IT IN SLOW MOTION SINCE I'VE BEEN ELECTED IN
5:56:45PM OFFICE IN 2018, EVERYTHING WAS LOVELY.
5:56:49PM WE WERE GOING TO GET $330 MILLION A YEAR FOR ROADS AND MASS
5:56:52PM TRANSIT, FOR ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION.
5:56:54PM FLORIDA SUPREME COURT INTERVENES.
5:56:56PM 2022, EVERYTHING IS LOVELY.
5:56:57PM WE'LL PASS THAT SALES TAX.
5:57:00PM CIRCUIT COURT INTERVENES.
5:57:01PM EVEN WITH THAT INTERVENTION, IT ONLY LOSES IN A YEAR WHEN A
5:57:06PM LOT OF FOLKS AGAINST TRANSIT INVESTMENTS WHO WON OFFICE,
5:57:09PM RUNNING FOR THINGS LIKE THE COUNTY COMMISSION, LOST BY ONLY
5:57:13PM HALF A POINT.
5:57:14PM ME, I AM PERSONALLY NOT OPTIMISTIC ABOUT MASS TRANSIT IN
5:57:18PM TAMPA AS IT SHOULD BE.
5:57:20PM CHAIRMAN CLENDENIN SAYS A LOT OF THINGS THAT I AGREE WITH.
5:57:22PM HE IS A VERY OPTIMISTIC PERSON.
5:57:24PM HE HAS THE SMILE TO PROVE IT BECAUSE HE'S ALWAYS SMILING.
5:57:28PM I AM NOT OPTIMISTIC ABOUT MASS TRANSIT IN TAMPA AS IT SHOULD
5:57:31PM BE.
5:57:32PM WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THOSE ROBUST INVESTMENTS THAT WE SHOULD
5:57:35PM BE HAVING.
5:57:37PM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT McNUGGETS AND SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT
5:57:40PM A BIG MAC.
5:57:42PM BOY, THAT CAME FAST.
5:57:44PM THAT'S ALL.
5:57:44PM I HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTS AND I'LL END IT WITH A BIG MAC,
5:57:49PM THANK YOU.
5:57:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'D LIKE TO WAGER ON THIS.
5:57:52PM I THINK IT'S TIME TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC ON THIS.
5:57:54PM IT'S WHAT YOU ALL CAME OUT TO DO, TO SHARE YOUR OPINIONS,
5:57:58PM ONCE AGAIN, AS YOU HEARD FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU
5:58:01PM HEARD FROM MY FELLOW MEMBERS UP ON THE DAIS, THE MORE
5:58:05PM SPECIFIC YOU CAN GET IS THE BETTER.
5:58:07PM THIS WILL BE WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GOING TO TAKE
5:58:10PM BACK AS WE WORK THIS PLAN, SO THE MORE SPECIFIC YOU CAN BE
5:58:14PM WOULD LEAD TO A BETTER PRODUCT.
5:58:17PM I HAVE 29 NAMES.
5:58:22PM IF YOU ARE ON THIS LIST, I'LL CALL YOUR NAME.
5:58:25PM IF YOU SIGNED A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM, IF YOU SPEAK, YOUR NAME
5:58:32PM WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE.
5:58:34PM WE'LL START IN THE ORDER YOU SIGNED UP.
5:58:41PM CODY ALTMAN FIRST FOLLOWED BY DANA JASPER.
5:58:45PM THE YELLOW LIGHT GOES OFF, THAT MEANS YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS
5:58:54PM LEFT.
5:58:55PM THE MICROPHONE IS BURIED IN IT.
5:59:01PM YOU DON'T REALLY SEE IT.
5:59:02PM DID YOU GIVE OUT NUMBERS?
5:59:12PM >> IF YOU HAVE A PLASTIC NUMBER, PLEASE LEAVE IT ON THE
5:59:14PM PODIUM WHENEVER YOU COME TO THE PODIUM TO SPEAK.
5:59:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GO AHEAD.
5:59:20PM CODY, YOUR TIME WILL START NOW.
5:59:22PM THANK YOU.
5:59:27PM >> I WAS SPEAKING WITH A --
5:59:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M SORRY.
5:59:29PM EVERYBODY WHO COMES TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME FIRST.
5:59:32PM IT IS A RULE.
5:59:33PM YOUR NAME FIRST.
5:59:34PM SPEAK AND RESET HIS TIME, PLEASE.
5:59:36PM >> MY NAME IS CODY ALTMAN.
5:59:38PM I'M SPEAKING MOSTLY IN FAVOR OF THE PLANNING MAP CHANGES.
5:59:43PM I'M SAYING THAT BECAUSE WHILE THERE IS -- I DO SEE SOME
5:59:48PM ISSUE WITH THE FACT THAT, HEY, THERE IS NOT A WHOLE LOT OF
5:59:52PM TRANSIT AT THE MOMENT, SO BUILDING ALL THE ZONING COULD
5:59:55PM DISRUPT, COULD BRING MORE PEOPLE, CAN AFFECT THE TRAFFIC.
5:59:59PM BUT LIKE YOU SAID AND A LOT OF OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SAID,
6:00:03PM THAT IF THERE ARE MORE ALTERNATIVES TO DRIVING, BECAUSE I DO
6:00:08PM DRIVE AND USE PUBLIC TRANSIT AND WALK.
6:00:12PM I DO DRIVE AND I HATE SITTING IN TRAFFIC.
6:00:15PM LIKE, I HATE SITTING IN TRAFFIC.
6:00:18PM IF I HAVE AN OPTION, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I WANT TO GO TO
6:00:22PM WESTCHASE OR GO TO TAMPA PALMS WITHOUT HAVING TO DRIVE, I
6:00:27PM WOULD DO IT ALL DAY LONG.
6:00:28PM I LOVE DRIVING, BUT ALSO DON'T LOVE TO SIT IN TRAFFIC.
6:00:32PM A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO SIT IN TRAFFIC EITHER.
6:00:36PM I THINK THAT, ALONG WITH THE ZONING PLAN CHANGES CAN
6:00:40PM DEFINITELY HELP A LOT.
6:00:42PM BUT, OBVIOUSLY, LIKE YOU GUYS SAID, PEOPLE SUPPORT IT AND
6:00:49PM OTHER MEMBERS BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT ABOUT WALKING TO
6:00:51PM SCHOOL IN THE PAST BUT NO LONGER THE CASE.
6:00:53PM I USED TO WALK HOME FROM SCHOOL AS WELL.
6:00:56PM I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE, AS WELL AS THEIR CHILDREN, ARE
6:01:02PM DRIVEN AROUND BY THEIR PARENTS BECAUSE IT'S NOT SAFE TO WALK
6:01:05PM ANYMORE.
6:01:05PM THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFRASTRUCTURE TO ENCOURAGE WALKABILITY.
6:01:09PM AND PEOPLE WOULD RATHER BE DRIVEN BY OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS OR
6:01:13PM RIDING THE SCHOOL BUS ALTOGETHER.
6:01:15PM I'D RATHER HAVE MORE EMPHASIS ON TRANSIT READINESS AND
6:01:19PM HAVING MORE TRANSIT ACCESSIBILITY, SPECIAL MORE IN THE DAY
6:01:24PM AND MORE FREQUENTLY.
6:01:29PM WE SHOULD SUPPORT CHANGES IN VERY LIMITED AREAS, BUT ALSO DO
6:01:32PM IT MORE GRADUALLY OVER TIME RATHER THAN DOING IN ALL ONE
6:01:37PM SWOOP.
6:01:38PM I DO SUPPORT THE MAP BECAUSE I THINK IT DOES BRING MORE
6:01:43PM SUSTAINABILITY TO THE AREA AND FROM THE SURROUNDING AREAS
6:01:48PM AND PREVENTS FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIKE
6:01:51PM WESTCHASE, TOWN N' COUNTRY, EVEN WESLEY CHAPEL.
6:01:54PM BEAUTIFUL WITH THE WOODS.
6:01:57PM NOW A BUNCH OF HOUSES AND A BUNCH OF TRAFFIC.
6:02:00PM BRINGING MORE PEOPLE CLOSE TO THE CITY COULD HOPEFULLY HALT
6:02:04PM SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE THE CITY AMONG OTHER THINGS.
6:02:07PM I SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN PASCO COUNTY AS WELL.
6:02:10PM I REALLY THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL AND HELPFUL TO
6:02:13PM THOSE -- LIKE BRANDON, RIVERVIEW AND FURTHER SOUTH AND THUS
6:02:17PM BRINGING MORE PEOPLE TO TAMPA, MORE AFFORDABLY AND MORE
6:02:23PM SUSTAINABLY WITHOUT HAVING TO DRIVE SO FAR AND PAY SO MUCH
6:02:26PM IN TOLLS, INSURANCE AND GAS.
6:02:28PM ALSO GAS AND CRASHES.
6:02:31PM MY NAME IS CORY ALTMAN.
6:02:34PM I DO SUPPORT THE MAP AS A CONCEPT.
6:02:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, CODY.
6:02:39PM APPRECIATE THAT.
6:02:39PM DAYNA.
6:02:46PM FOLLOWING THAT TOM CONNELLY.
6:02:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MS. JASPER HAS ONE NAME.
6:02:57PM JANE PERCOSI.
6:03:01PM WHERE ARE YOU?
6:03:01PM THANK YOU.
6:03:02PM ONE ADDITIONAL NAME, PLEASE FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR MINUTES.
6:03:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:03:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S SAKE, I
6:03:25PM WILL HOLD ON TO THE COPIES AND GIVE YOU ALL A COPY OF WHAT I
6:03:28PM HAVE.
6:03:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MS. JASPER.
6:03:39PM >> DANA JASPER.
6:03:41PM GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
6:03:42PM I HAVE TWO VERY SPECIFIC THINGS THAT I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT
6:03:46PM TONIGHT.
6:03:46PM I'LL GET TO THOSE VERY EASILY.
6:03:48PM THE FIRST THING I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS CONTRADICTORY
6:03:51PM INFORMATION I'VE SEEN IN THE PROPOSAL THAT HAS TO DO WITH
6:03:54PM BONUS DENSITIES IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
6:03:57PM ON THE LEFT HERE, YOU'LL SEE POLICY 2.6.9 DIRECTS THE
6:04:01PM DENSITY BONUSES INTO THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREAS, BUT
6:04:05PM LATER ON IN THE POLICY, IT HAS 7.1.4 AND THAT'S EXPLORING
6:04:09PM THE DENSITY BONUSES IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
6:04:13PM I PUT UNDERNEATH THAT THE EVACUATION ZONE MAP.
6:04:17PM I REALLY DO BELIEVE AT THIS TIME THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE
6:04:19PM DIRECTING BONUS DENSITY IN THE CHHA IN THOSE COASTAL HIGH
6:04:24PM HAZARD AREAS.
6:04:25PM SO MY REQUEST IS THAT THIS BE COMPLETELY REMOVED FROM THE
6:04:28PM DRAFT.
6:04:28PM NOW I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER POLICY THAT'S IN HERE.
6:04:33PM THIS HAS TO DO WITH LU POLICY 3.2.1, NUMBER 2.
6:04:39PM THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE LOCATIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE
6:04:43PM NECESSARY FOR FLU 20, 35, 50, AND 83 TO BE REZONED TO
6:04:49PM COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OR TO RESIDENTIAL OFFICE.
6:04:53PM IN OUR CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND I HAVE GIVEN YOU
6:04:58PM COPIES IN THE PACKET, IT IS VERY DISTINCT ABOUT HOW THERE
6:05:01PM ARE ALL THESE DIFFERENT CRITERIA THAT ALL OF THESE CRITERIA
6:05:04PM MUST BE MET TO EVEN HAVE A REZONING CONSIDERED.
6:05:07PM THIS POLICY THAT IS BEING PROPOSED, HOWEVER, IN THE
6:05:12PM LANGUAGE, THE WAY THEY DEVELOPED THIS, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A,
6:05:16PM B AND C HERE, THEY HAVE USED THIS "OR" HERE.
6:05:20PM I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS A TYPO BECAUSE I'M THINKING, WELL,
6:05:23PM OR.
6:05:24PM YOU ONLY HAVE TO SATISFY ONE.
6:05:25PM I REACHED OUT TO PLANNING COMMISSION VIA E-MAIL AND I
6:05:31PM CONFIRMED WITH THEM IT DOES MEAN YOU ONLY HAVE TO MEET ONE
6:05:35PM CRITERIA.
6:05:35PM I GAVE A COPY OF THE E-MAIL THREAD IN THE PACKET I GAVE YOU
6:05:39PM AS WELL.
6:05:39PM LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE WHAT THIS MIGHT MEAN.
6:05:42PM I'LL USE THE CRITERIA A.
6:05:44PM THAT CRITERIA A SAYS THE SITE HAS FRONTAGE ON A FUNCTIONALLY
6:05:48PM CLASSIFIED AS COLLECTOR, ARTERIAL ROADWAY.
6:05:52PM I'LL USE THE EXAMPLE BAYSHORE BOULEVARD BECAUSE THAT IS AN
6:05:55PM ARTERIAL ROADWAY.
6:05:56PM GIVEN THAT ANY PROPERTIES THAT ARE R-20, 35, 50, OR 83,
6:06:01PM ANYWHERE HERE ALONG BAYSHORE, WOULD BE ABLE TO ASK FOR A
6:06:07PM REZONING TO COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OR RESIDENTIAL OFFICE.
6:06:10PM WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
6:06:11PM WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET IN LIEU OF RESIDENTIAL?
6:06:13PM IT'S AN ENCROACHMENT INTO RESIDENTIAL.
6:06:17PM DO WE NEED ANOTHER, I DON'T KNOW, CAR WASH IN SOUTH TAMPA, A
6:06:21PM WEED SHOP?
6:06:23PM I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET.
6:06:25PM BUT THIS IS AN EASY SOLUTION.
6:06:27PM I'LL COME WITH TWO REQUESTS.
6:06:28PM THE FIRST WAS TO GET RID OF 7.1.4 AND THIS ONE.
6:06:33PM ALL I'M ASKING FOR HERE IS YOU REPLACE THAT WORD "OR" WITH
6:06:37PM THE WORD "AND."
6:06:39PM THIS IS VERY EASY TO DO.
6:06:41PM INSTEAD OF HAVING "OR" YOU JUST PUT "AND."
6:06:44PM PUT "AND."
6:06:46PM AND YOU MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE CRITERIA ARE MET BECAUSE THIS
6:06:50PM IS DOWN-GRADING WHAT WE ALREADY CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE
6:06:53PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
6:06:54PM IT'S ALL I'M ASKING THAT WE KEEP IT TO THE SAME STANDARD
6:06:58PM THAT WE REQUIRE ALL THOSE CRITERIA AND NOT JUST MAKE IT AN
6:07:02PM "OR" STATEMENT BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL HAVE UNINTENDED
6:07:05PM CONSEQUENCES TO DO THAT.
6:07:06PM IN SUMMARY, TOLD YOU I WOULD BE ASKING FOR TWO THINGS.
6:07:10PM I ASK YOU REMOVE LU POLICY 7.1.4 AND NOT DIRECT BONUS
6:07:15PM DENSITY INTO THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND TO CHANGE THAT
6:07:19PM WORD OR TO AND BETWEEN THESE AB AND C CRITERIA.
6:07:23PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
6:07:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
6:07:27PM THE PROBLEM, AS MUCH AS I LOVE HEARING LAUGHTER, WHAT
6:07:30PM HAPPENS, THE SHAPE OF THIS ROOM, IF YOU ARE LAUGHING, WE
6:07:33PM CAN'T HEAR WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.
6:07:35PM THE PERSON WHO IS SPEAKING, THEY LOSE TRACK OF MAYBE THEIR
6:07:38PM TIME.
6:07:38PM IT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO PEOPLE SPEAKING BECAUSE THEY ARE
6:07:41PM TRYING TO COMMUNICATE THEIR MESSAGE AS CLEARLY AS THEY CAN.
6:07:45PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
6:07:46PM TOM CONNELLY FOLLOWED BY LINDA REED.
6:07:50PM HOLD THAT THOUGHT FOR A SECOND, TOM.
6:07:52PM CAN WE GO TO PAULA MECKLEY THAT'S ONLINE FIRST?
6:07:56PM PAULA.
6:07:59PM WE'LL GO TO AN ONLINE SPEAKER FOR ONE SECOND HERE.
6:08:03PM WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
6:08:16PM MAKE SURE YOU ARE UNMUTED, PAULA.
6:08:18PM STILL CAN'T HEAR YOU.
6:08:28PM PAULA, I'LL SKIP YOU AND COME BACK IN ABOUT FIVE, TEN
6:08:32PM MINUTES TO SEE IF WE GET THAT FIXED.
6:08:34PM BACK TO TOM.
6:08:36PM >> I GAVE THE SPEAKER WAIVER, TWO ADDITIONAL MINUTES.
6:08:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CONNELLY HAS TWO NAMES.
6:08:44PM JOHN STEDMAN.
6:08:45PM THANK YOU.
6:08:46PM MIKE McNABB.
6:08:47PM THANK YOU.
6:08:47PM FOR A TOTAL OF FIVE.
6:08:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
6:08:52PM FIVE MINUTES.
6:08:53PM GO AHEAD.
6:08:53PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
6:08:54PM IN MY OPINION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF DIDN'T FOLLOW
6:08:57PM THE INTENT --
6:08:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STATE YOUR NAME.
6:08:59PM >> TOM CONNELLY.
6:09:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
6:09:03PM >> WHEN DIRECTED STAFF OF THE MAY 2025 PUBLIC HEARING TO
6:09:07PM HOLD COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND
6:09:10PM LISTEN TO COMMUNITY CONCERNS WITH SPECIFIC PURPOSE OF
6:09:14PM DETERMINING THE NEED FOR AND EXTENT OF THE REVISED LANGUAGE
6:09:17PM FOR CONSIDERATION AT THIS MEETING.
6:09:19PM INSTEAD, THE COMMISSION FOCUSED SOLELY ON TOPICS OF
6:09:22PM TRANSIT-READY AREA, THE CORRIDOR, POLICY 263 LU 2, BONUS 2
6:09:27PM AND CRITERIA FOR ALLOWANCES OF ATTACHED UNITS IN THE
6:09:30PM RESIDENTIAL TEN LAND USE CATEGORY AND POLICY 3.3.6.
6:09:35PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF DID NOT ADDRESS CONCERNS
6:09:38PM RELATED TO THE CURRENT TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IMAGINE
6:09:41PM 2040.
6:09:42PM I GOT A SLIDE HERE FOR YOU, THAT STATES ABOUT THE
6:09:46PM CHARACTERISTICS OF SOUTH TAMPA.
6:09:49PM PREDOMINANTLY TRADITIONAL SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED
6:09:52PM NEIGHBORHOODS, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITIES THAT WOULD BE
6:09:54PM COMPROMISED BY INCREASED URBANIZATION, LIMITED ACCESS TO
6:09:56PM TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES, WHICH ARE RESOURCE INEFFICIENT TO
6:10:01PM IMPROVE LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE MORE COMMUNITY
6:10:04PM FACILITIES, OPEN SPACES OR SERVICES AND AN UNSTABLE OR
6:10:08PM FLOOD-PRONE LAND.
6:10:09PM THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THIS VERSION PRESENTED IS NOT
6:10:13PM A LIFESTYLE CHOICE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF SOUTH TAMPA.
6:10:16PM IT IS A PUBLIC SAFETY AND INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE.
6:10:20PM SOUTH TAMPA IS A PENINSULA WITH ONLY ONE DIRECTION TO
6:10:23PM EVACUATE.
6:10:26PM AND IT IS BOUND BY THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND MAJORITY
6:10:29PM OF EVACUATION ZONE A.
6:10:31PM THAT'S ALL THERE.
6:10:32PM THERE'S NO NEW GREENSPACE AVAILABLE AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE
6:10:38PM WITH RESPECT TO ROAD AND STORMWATER NEEDS SERIOUS
6:10:40PM IMPROVEMENT.
6:10:41PM SOUTH TAMPA HAS GROWN MORE THAN ALL THE OTHER PARTS OF THE
6:10:46PM CITY COMBINED IN THE PAST FEW YEARS, ALLOWING AN INCREASE IN
6:10:50PM DENSITY IS NOT THE DIRECTION FOR SOUTH TAMPA.
6:10:53PM A NEW STRATEGY BASED ON INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE
6:10:56PM ADDRESSED.
6:10:56PM THIS AMENDMENT APPEARS TO ABANDON THE OBJECTIVES AND
6:11:00PM POLICIES THAT ARE IN OUR CURRENT TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
6:11:04PM IMAGINE 2040.
6:11:06PM SPECIFICALLY LU POLICY 9.3.8 AND SEE THE HIGHLIGHTED
6:11:12PM PORTIONS THERE.
6:11:13PM LU POLICY -- OBJECTIVE 9.4 ABOUT ACCOMMODATING THE GREATEST
6:11:24PM CONCENTRATION OF HOUSING AND DESIRABLE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED
6:11:27PM URBAN AREAS HAVING CONVENIENT ACCESS TO REGIONAL TRANSIT
6:11:30PM STATIONS AND THEN THE OTHER HIGHLIGHT, PROMOTE HIGH DENSITY
6:11:34PM RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN BUSINESS CENTERS IN URBAN
6:11:38PM VILLAGES.
6:11:39PM AND THEN IF WE MOVE ON TO LU OBJECTIVE 9.5 CONCERNING
6:11:47PM SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT SAYS TO PROTECT
6:11:54PM LOW-DENSITY SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS, MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF
6:11:58PM THE SINGLE-FAMILY DENSITY AREA, PROVIDE DIFFERENT
6:12:02PM INTENSITIES OF SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS TO REFLECT THE
6:12:04PM DIFFERENCES IN THE EXISTING AND DESIRED CHARACTER OF THE
6:12:06PM SINGLE-FAMILY AREA ACROSS THE CITY, TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT
6:12:10PM DENSITY AND CHARACTER OF EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS, AND
6:12:14PM PROTECT THESE AREAS OF LOWEST INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT THAT
6:12:17PM ARE CURRENTLY IN PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE
6:12:21PM OR THAT HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL OR INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRAINTS
6:12:24PM WHICH ARE ON THE FIRST SLIDE, FOUR BULLET POINTS, SUCH AS
6:12:29PM ENVIRONMENTALLY CRITICAL AREAS.
6:12:31PM IN SUMMATION, I'LL ASK THE COUNCIL TO DENY THE TRANSMITTAL
6:12:36PM OF 2404 AT LEAST UNTIL THE NEWLY ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE FOR
6:12:41PM DISTRICT 5 WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO GATHER INPUTS FROM THEIR
6:12:44PM CONSTITUENTS AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST MODIFICATIONS IF
6:12:48PM SO WARRANTED.
6:12:49PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
6:12:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, SIR.
6:12:52PM LINDA REED FOLLOWED BY DEBBIE GREENBERG AND THEN WE'LL TRY
6:12:56PM PAULA AGAIN.
6:12:58PM GOOD MORNING.
6:13:08PM START WITH YOUR NAME.
6:13:09PM >> MY NAME IS LINDA REED.
6:13:10PM GOOD EVENING.
6:13:13PM I ATTENDED THE MADISON MIDDLE SCHOOL MEETING FROM THE
6:13:20PM PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
6:13:21PM AND THERE WAS -- THEY WANTED US TO PUT OUR QUESTIONS ON AN
6:13:28PM INDEX CARD AND PUT THE INDEX CARD IN THE BOX.
6:13:31PM THEY HAD SOMEONE GOING AROUND THE ROOM TO BE SURE TO COLLECT
6:13:36PM THE INDEX CARDS.
6:13:37PM WHEN IT CAME TIME TO ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS, THEY ONLY
6:13:41PM ADDRESSED FOUR QUESTIONS OUT OF THE BOX.
6:13:43PM I HOPE THE BOX HAS FOUND ITS WAY TO YOU ALL SO YOU CAN SEE
6:13:48PM SOME OF THE QUESTIONS PEOPLE HAD.
6:13:50PM MY QUESTION WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WAS READ.
6:13:53PM I WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT UP TO YOU ALL.
6:13:55PM WHY DO WE HAVE TO USE JUST LAND, FREE LAND, WHY CAN'T WE USE
6:14:00PM THESE EMPTY BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE ALL OVER THE CITY?
6:14:04PM I'VE DRIVEN AROUND WESTSHORE AND DAVIS ISLANDS, THOSE AREAS
6:14:09PM THAT WERE FLOODED SO BADLY AND THERE'S HOUSE AFTER HOUSE
6:14:12PM AFTER HOUSE, CAN'T DEVELOPMENT BE USED THERE?
6:14:16PM THERE'S ALREADY A STRUCTURE ON THAT LAND?
6:14:18PM DO WE HAVE TO USE UP MORE OF OUR LAND?
6:14:22PM THE ONLY OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS I THINK THEY COULD
6:14:26PM DESIGN A VIDEO GAME OUT OF WHAT IT'S LIKE TO GO DOWN A SOUTH
6:14:31PM TAMPA STREET BETWEEN THE FEDEX TRUCKS, LAND MAINTENANCE
6:14:36PM TRUCKS, THE VISITORS' TRUCKS, YOU'RE DOING THIS ALL THE WAY
6:14:40PM THROUGH AND YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL MAKE IT THROUGH THE
6:14:42PM STREET OR NOT.
6:14:43PM SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED MORE DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW.
6:14:45PM USE WHAT'S EMPTY AND DEVELOP THAT.
6:14:48PM DON'T USE UP MORE LAND.
6:14:50PM MR. MIRANDA, I'D LIKE TO SAY, YOU AND I HAVE SOMETHING IN
6:14:54PM COMMON.
6:14:55PM WE'RE BOTH TAMPA PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOREVER.
6:14:58PM DON'T LET THEM LOSE THE CITY OF TAMPA.
6:15:01PM WE'RE LOSING THE CITY OF TAMPA.
6:15:02PM WE'RE JUST BECOMING ANOTHER BIG CITY WITH A BUNCH OF
6:15:05PM BUILDINGS.
6:15:06PM PLEASE SAVE OUR CITY.
6:15:08PM THANK YOU.
6:15:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MS. REED.
6:15:09PM DEBBIE GREENBERG.
6:15:11PM GOOD EVENING, START WITH YOUR NAME.
6:15:20PM >> HI.
6:15:20PM DEBBIE GREENBERG.
6:15:21PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
6:15:23PM I ALSO ATTENDED SOME OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND I'M GLAD
6:15:26PM THE COUNCIL I HAD ATTENDED THOSE AS WELL.
6:15:29PM I THINK NATURE HAS GIVEN US UNINTENDED STUDIES WITHOUT EVEN
6:15:36PM FORMING THEM.
6:15:37PM WE HAD HURRICANES.
6:15:38PM CAME BACK TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, FLOODING IN NON-FLOOD ZONES.
6:15:43PM THE STREETS WERE IMPASSABLE.
6:15:46PM IT FLOODS EVEN WITH, YOU BLOW ON THE STREET, OUR ELECTRIC
6:15:50PM GOES OUT OR THE RAIN COMES AND IT'S FLOODED ALREADY.
6:15:55PM THESE ARE DURING CALM TIMES.
6:15:58PM WHEN WE HAD THE HURRICANE, IT WAS TESTED NATURALLY.
6:16:01PM DIDN'T HAVE TO DESIGN THE STUDY.
6:16:03PM IT WAS DONE FOR US, AND WE DIDN'T SUCCEED IN CONTROLLING
6:16:07PM THINGS.
6:16:07PM SO INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST.
6:16:11PM WHAT WAS CONCERNING TO ME, KEPT SAYING ALL THE THINGS BEING
6:16:15PM BUILT NOW, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ALL THE THINGS BEING
6:16:18PM BUILT NOW.
6:16:19PM WE ALL SEE ALL THE CONSTRUCTION TAKING PLACE RIGHT NOW IN
6:16:22PM TAMPA.
6:16:22PM THOSE PEOPLE HAVEN'T EVEN MOVED IN YET.
6:16:25PM SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY BEYOND WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE
6:16:30PM WORKS NOW THAT CAN'T BE TOUCHED.
6:16:33PM HOW MANY TIMES WE SEE REZONING AND VARIANCE IN FRONT OF US,
6:16:36PM EVERY CONSTRUCTION I SEE IT AND THE WRITING IS THIS BIG.
6:16:40PM SO THE COMMUNITY REALLY ISN'T AWARE OF THOSE VARIANCES.
6:16:43PM SOMETIMES I GO UP AND I READ THEM.
6:16:45PM SO PLEASE TAKE CONSIDERATION INTO WHAT IS ALREADY BEING
6:16:49PM BUILT NOW, WHICH WE CAN'T TOUCH, HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE WE'RE
6:16:54PM GOING TO BRING IN.
6:16:55PM I TOO CANNOT TURN LEFT ON MacDILL.
6:16:58PM I COME OUT OF THERE EVERY DAY BECAUSE OF THE ACADEMY OF THE
6:17:01PM HOLY NAMES.
6:17:02PM THAT IS A CALM SCHOOL DAY.
6:17:04PM STRESSING MAYBE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MOVE UP INTO THE CAR
6:17:10PM LINE, BUT IT BACKS ALL THE WAY UP.
6:17:12PM AND THIS IS NOT EVACUATION.
6:17:14PM THIS IS A NORMAL PICK UP YOUR KID, TALKING ON YOUR PHONE IN
6:17:18PM YOUR CAR DAY.
6:17:19PM PLEASE BE VERY MINDFUL.
6:17:23PM I THINK NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD, SOUTH TAMPA IS FULL.
6:17:28PM YOU ARE ON PAGE WITH US AND LET PEOPLE LIVE THERE AND JUST
6:17:34PM DO A LITTLE STUDY OF THEIR OWN, SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE TO GET
6:17:37PM THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON A DAILY BASIS WHEN IT'S JUST A
6:17:40PM THUNDERSTORM.
6:17:41PM BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
6:17:42PM I APPRECIATE IT.
6:17:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MS. GREENBERG.
6:17:45PM PAULA MECKLEY, WE'LL TRY AGAIN.
6:17:49PM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
6:17:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THERE YOU ARE, PAULA.
6:17:53PM >> THANK YOU.
6:17:54PM MY NAME IS PAULA MECKLEY.
6:17:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
6:17:57PM WE HEARD YOUR NAME.
6:17:59PM THANK YOU.
6:18:00PM >> OKAY.
6:18:01PM I'D LIKE TO START BY THANKING THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF
6:18:03PM FOR LISTENING TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
6:18:05PM HOWEVER, THERE ARE STILL MANY PARTS OF THIS NEW LAND
6:18:08PM DEVELOPMENT SECTION THAT ARE EITHER VAGUE, UNCLEAR OR SHOULD
6:18:11PM BE DELETED.
6:18:12PM ALSO PARTS OF THE 2040 PLAN THAT SHOULD BE PUT BACK INTO
6:18:15PM THIS UPDATE.
6:18:16PM I'M GOING TO START WITH THE THINGS THAT I THINK NEED TO BE
6:18:19PM TWEAKED.
6:18:19PM LU TABLE 3, FUTURE LAND USE, THERE ARE SEVEN CATEGORIES
6:18:23PM WHERE WE'RE GIVING AWAY FREE BY RIGHT.
6:18:26PM SHOULD IT BE DOING THIS?
6:18:27PM I AM SUGGESTING THAT WE LOOK AT THE NAMES, CURRENTLY R 83,
6:18:31PM CHANGE IT TO R 75, R 50 SHOULD BE R 40.
6:18:35PM R 35 SHOULD BE R 30.
6:18:37PM THIS DOES NOT TAKE AWAY ANY BY RIGHT.
6:18:40PM LANDOWNERS CAN STILL ASK FOR BONUS.
6:18:43PM IF APPROVED THE WAY IT IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN IN THE 2045,
6:18:46PM INCREASE DENSITY ALL OVER THE CITY AND INCREASE DENSITY IN
6:18:51PM THE CHHA WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM.
6:18:54PM LAND USE POLICY 3.1.17, RESIDENTIAL R-50, WHICH SHOULD BE
6:18:59PM R-40, THIS PROPOSED MOVE R-50 CATEGORY FOR MEDIUM DENSITY TO
6:19:04PM HIGH DENSITY.
6:19:05PM THAT'S A MASSIVE INCREASE THAT'S BEING SNEAKED INTO THIS
6:19:09PM PLAN.
6:19:09PM 3.1.18, RESIDENTIAL R-35 SHOULD BE R-30, MEDIUM DENSITY,
6:19:17PM PLEASE ADD THE WORDING BACK THAT DEFINES R-35, WHICH IS
6:19:22PM MEDIUM DENSITY, SMALL LOT, SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS, DUPLEX,
6:19:26PM CONDOS, TOWNHOMES, UP TO EIGHT STORIES.
6:19:29PM THEY REMOVED ALL THAT WORDING.
6:19:31PM LU POLICY 3.2.1, THIS IS A KILLER.
6:19:34PM DANA JUST WENT OVER THIS.
6:19:37PM THIS, EVEN IN THE R-10 CATEGORY, THEY ADDED A B.
6:19:40PM THE B IS LOOSENING THE RULES AND ADDING ADDITIONAL PLACES IN
6:19:44PM R-10 WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO DO THIS.
6:19:47PM IN NUMBER TWO, THE WORD "AND" CHANGED TO "OR" WHICH
6:19:52PM DRASTICALLY CHANGES THE EFFECT ON RESIDENTIAL LAND USE
6:19:56PM CATEGORIES AND HAS THE POTENTIAL OF DRASTICALLY CHANGING THE
6:20:00PM PACE OF NEIGHBORHOODS.
6:20:02PM PUT BACK IN THE FOLLOWING WORDING FROM THE 2040 PLAN, 9.5.1,
6:20:06PM 2, 3, 4, AND 5.
6:20:08PM THOSE ARE ALL PROTECTIONS FOR SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
6:20:11PM PUT BACK IN THE WORDING THAT PROTECTS BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AS
6:20:15PM THE JEWEL OF TAMPA BAY.
6:20:17PM THIS DISTINCT ROADWAY DESERVES PROTECTION.
6:20:21PM PUT BACK IN THE WORDING TOM TALKED ABOUT.
6:20:25PM SOUTH TAMPA, THIS WORDING WAS PUT IN THERE FOR A REASON.
6:20:28PM ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITIES.
6:20:31PM LACK OF OPEN SPACE.
6:20:32PM IT'S INEFFICIENT TO ADD TRANSPORTATION AND IMPROVEMENT.
6:20:36PM NONE OF THAT HAS CHANGED SINCE THIS WORDING HAS BEEN
6:20:39PM WRITTEN.
6:20:40PM THERE'S STILL LOTS OF AREAS IN SOUTH TAMPA IN THE CURRENT BY
6:20:43PM RIGHT THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED.
6:20:44PM THERE'S NO NEED TO ADD THESE INCENTIVES.
6:20:47PM PLEASE CONSIDER THESE CHANGES BEFORE TRANSMITTING.
6:20:49PM THANK YOU.
6:20:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, PAULA.
6:20:51PM OKAY.
6:20:52PM WE'RE MOVING ON TO MICHAEL SHEA, FOLLOWED BY NATHAN HAGAN.
6:21:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. DONALD LESTER, PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE.
6:21:22PM IS DONALD LESTER.
6:21:23PM THERE YOU ARE.
6:21:24PM THANK YOU.
6:21:25PM ANN PICKENS.
6:21:27PM THANK YOU.
6:21:27PM HANK CRAMER.
6:21:29PM THANK YOU.
6:21:30PM FRANK GRECO.
6:21:32PM THANK YOU.
6:21:33PM FOUR NAMES PLUS THREE, THAT'S SEVEN MINUTES TOTAL.
6:21:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
6:21:40PM START WITH YOUR NAME.
6:21:41PM YOU'LL HAVE SEVEN MINUTES.
6:21:44PM >> GOOD EVENING.
6:21:45PM MY NAME IS MICHAEL SHEA.
6:21:47PM MY ADDRESS IS 6301 BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
6:21:51PM I'VE LIVED HERE 83 YEARS.
6:21:53PM A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY BACKGROUND, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S
6:21:57PM GERMANE, I WAS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
6:22:01PM PLANNING COMMISSION IN 1965, AND IT WAS A GREAT GROUP OF
6:22:06PM PEOPLE THEN AND IT STILL IS.
6:22:08PM DONE A GREAT JOB WORKING WITH THIS.
6:22:11PM I WENT TO LAW SCHOOL AT FSU.
6:22:15PM WHEN I FINISHED THAT, I DID A POSTDOCTORATE IN URBAN
6:22:19PM PLANNING.
6:22:19PM I'VE WORKED AS A CONSULTANT FOR ABOUT 68 CITIES THROUGHOUT
6:22:23PM THE STATE OF FLORIDA, FROM PENSACOLA TO KEY WEST.
6:22:29PM I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHO WE REPRESENT.
6:22:38PM WE REPRESENT COMMUNITIES, I DO.
6:22:40PM I WORK FOR ST. MICHAEL'S LEGAL CENTER, WHICH IS A PRO BONO
6:22:46PM AGENCY, THAT PROVIDES FREE LEGAL SERVICES TO THE POOR IN 13
6:22:51PM COUNTIES ON THE WEST COAST OF FLORIDA.
6:22:52PM I HAVE SEVEN ATTORNEYS WHO WORK FOR ME.
6:22:54PM BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO BECAUSE WE THINK WE SHOULD
6:22:58PM PAY BACK IS WE REPRESENT NOT FOR PROFITS.
6:23:02PM AND ONE OF THOSE IS THE RIVER BEND CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
6:23:06PM IT'S AN IMPORTANT NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY BECAUSE, WELL,
6:23:11PM THE MAYOR LIVES THERE, BUT THAT'S NOT THE MAIN REASON.
6:23:14PM THE MAIN REASON IS BECAUSE IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S
6:23:18PM DIFFERENT FROM MANY OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
6:23:21PM 25 YEARS AGO, I WAS A PERSON THAT WORKED ON DOING A
6:23:26PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR A COMMUNITY CALLED BALLAST POINT.
6:23:30PM IT'S HELD UP ALL THOSE 20 ODD YEARS, AND IT HAS BEEN VERY
6:23:35PM BENEFICIAL.
6:23:37PM WE HAVE PUT INTO PLAY THAT NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN.
6:23:42PM I SUGGEST THAT WE DO THE SAME THING AGAIN.
6:23:45PM I THINK THAT IT'S GREAT TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT
6:23:48PM COVERS THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, BUT WE NEED TO GET DOWN IN
6:23:52PM THE WEEDS AND LOOK AT EACH CITY.
6:23:55PM I MEAN, EACH NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT.
6:23:58PM WHAT I PUT OUT HERE TODAY IS A NEIGHBORHOOD COMPREHENSIVE
6:24:04PM PLAN FOR RIVER BEND NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE YEAR 2045.
6:24:10PM NOW, THOSE PEOPLE HAVE WORKED WITH ME FOR THE LAST TWO AND A
6:24:14PM HALF MONTHS.
6:24:15PM WE GOT APPOINTED BECAUSE WE'RE FIGHTING A REZONING WITH THE
6:24:20PM GERMAN AMERICAN CLUB.
6:24:21PM WE WERE HERE THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AGO.
6:24:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE DEALING WITH.
6:24:26PM LET'S SKIP THAT.
6:24:27PM >> SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE STARTED TO DO A PILOT PLAN,
6:24:33PM THE FIRST ONE, A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN COMPREHENSIVE FOR THE
6:24:38PM YEAR 2045.
6:24:39PM WE DID THIS LITTLE PARTICULAR AREA AND CAME UP WITH AN
6:24:47PM ECONOMIC STUDY, A TRANSPORTATION STUDY, A SCHOOL STUDY, A
6:24:51PM PARKS AND RECREATION STUDY AND THEN THE REAL KICKER, THE
6:24:55PM LAND USE STUDY.
6:24:56PM WHILE I AGREE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS DONE A GREAT
6:25:01PM JOB, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS I'D MAKE A CHANGE WITH.
6:25:04PM ONE OF THEM IS THESE CORRIDORS WHERE THEY GIVE THESE
6:25:07PM BONUSES.
6:25:08PM THE WAY IT WORKS IS THEY'VE GOT BONUSES PUT ON AND A
6:25:12PM DEVELOPER, I CAN IMAGINE GOING DOWN TO ONE OF THESE PLACES
6:25:16PM THEY'VE GOT ON THEIR MAP ON A CORRIDOR AND BEING ABLE TO
6:25:19PM PULL A PERMIT WITHOUT THE INPUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
6:25:24PM NO REZONING, NO NOTHING.
6:25:25PM SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T GET TO GIVE
6:25:31PM INPUT.
6:25:32PM WHAT I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND IS A SLIGHT CHANGE TO WHAT WE
6:25:36PM CALL A CONDITIONAL USE.
6:25:38PM JUST CHANGE ALL THESE TO A CONDITIONAL USE.
6:25:42PM THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR IN
6:25:45PM TAMPA THE ZONING DEPARTMENT, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO GO BEFORE
6:25:49PM A ZONING MASTER, WHO IF HE APPROVES IT, IS FINISHED.
6:25:54PM BUT BOTH PARTIES, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE DEVELOPER, WOULD
6:25:57PM HAVE A RIGHT TO DE NOVO HEARING BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL.
6:26:01PM I THINK THOSE ARE THE MINOR KIND OF CHANGES WE CAN RECOMMEND
6:26:06PM THAT ARE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER.
6:26:09PM BUT WE REALLY NEED TO DIG IN TO THE WEEDS WHEN IT COMES TO
6:26:15PM DOING COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING.
6:26:16PM IT NEEDS TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD DRIVEN.
6:26:19PM I CAN TELL YOU LIVING IN BALLAST POINT IS A CONSIDERABLE
6:26:25PM DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD THAN RIVER BEND.
6:26:28PM RIVER BEND HAS SOME REALLY NICE HOUSES ALONG THE RIVER, BUT
6:26:31PM THE REST OF THAT COMMUNITY IS BLUE COLLAR.
6:26:34PM SO WHEN I DID THE STUDY, I CAME UP WITH SOME REALLY
6:26:38PM INTERESTING THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE THAT ARE REALLY
6:26:41PM DIFFERENT.
6:26:42PM AND THAT'S WHAT THIS CITY IS COMPOSED OF, A BUNCH OF
6:26:46PM NEIGHBORHOODS, NOT ONE BIG COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
6:26:49PM I'VE WRITTEN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN -- I DON'T KNOW HOW TO
6:26:56PM TURN THIS ON.
6:26:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S ON AUTOMATICALLY.
6:26:59PM >> THAT'S THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
6:27:01PM IT'S IN ROUGH DRAFT, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE CLERK
6:27:04PM RECEIVE IT.
6:27:05PM AND JUST IN CASE YOU WERE INTERESTED, I'VE ALSO DRAFTED AN
6:27:09PM ORDINANCE TO AMEND YOUR BUILDING AND ZONING CODE TO ALLOW
6:27:13PM FOR CONDITIONAL USES, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING.
6:27:19PM I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE CLERK RECEIVE THESE
6:27:23PM TWO DOCUMENTS.
6:27:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU CAN HAND THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL
6:27:28PM ATTORNEY.
6:27:28PM THANK YOU, MR. SHEA.
6:27:31PM NATHAN HAGAN IS NEXT.
6:27:32PM BEEN A LONG TIME.
6:27:33PM AFTER NATHAN IS GOING TO BE JASON REEKMANS.
6:27:44PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
6:27:46PM MY NAME IS NATHAN HAGAN.
6:27:48PM I'M A VOLUNTEER CHAPTER LEADER WITH NIMBY TAMPA.
6:27:51PM FOUR YEARS, NIMBY TAMPA HAS WORKED HARD TO GET A MEANINGFUL
6:27:55PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE TO ADDRESS OUR HOUSING SHORTAGE.
6:27:58PM WE ASKED FOR REFORMS THAT WORKED IN CITIES LIKE MINNEAPOLIS,
6:28:01PM CHARLOTTE, PORTLAND, LIFTING BANS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING
6:28:04PM TYPES, FOCUSING ON REFORM OVER DENSITY AND EXPANDING BY
6:28:09PM RIGHT DEVELOPMENT.
6:28:09PM BEST PRACTICES IN PLANNING.
6:28:11PM 18 MONTHS AGO WE LEARNED NONE OF THE BIG REFORMS WOULD
6:28:14PM HAPPEN IN THIS UPDATE.
6:28:15PM INSTEAD WE HAVE A VERY WATERED DOWN PLAN.
6:28:18PM WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO THE OTHER THINGS, THE CITY ISN'T
6:28:20PM DONE EVOLVING, BUT IT'S BEEN CLEAR FOR A LONG TIME NOW THIS
6:28:24PM IS NOT GOING TO BE THE VENUE FOR TRANSFORMATIVE CHANGE FOR
6:28:27PM HOUSING CRISIS WARRANTS.
6:28:28PM WE'RE STILL HERE FOR TWO REASONS.
6:28:30PM FIRST, THE BONUS PROGRAM IS AN IMPROVEMENT.
6:28:32PM IT CREATES A PATH FOR DEVELOPERS TO EARN DENSITY BY
6:28:35PM PROVIDING COMMUNITY BENEFITS LIKE TRANSIT SUPPORTED
6:28:39PM AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT NO TAXPAYER COST.
6:28:40PM IF THIS PLAN IS ENACTED, DEVELOPERS STILL GO THROUGH THE PD
6:28:44PM PROCESS, WILL STILL FACE PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND MAY OFTEN FACE
6:28:46PM HIGHER COSTS BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THE APPROVAL
6:28:48PM REQUIRES.
6:28:49PM NOTHING IS BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM NEIGHBORHOODS OR FROM
6:28:51PM DEVELOPERS, BUT THIS CREATES A TOOL THAT LETS DEVELOPERS
6:28:53PM KNOW WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE BEFORE THEY MAKE A REQUEST.
6:28:56PM HONESTLY, WE THINK OF IT MORE AS A COMMUNICATION TOOL THAN A
6:28:59PM POLICY CHANGE.
6:29:00PM IT'S NOT GOING TO DRIVE A DIFFERENT MEASURABLE MACRO OUTCOME
6:29:04PM ON ITS OWN.
6:29:05PM IT IS THE DEFINITION OF INCREMENTALISM AND TAKE FIVE YEARS
6:29:09PM TO GET DONE BY THE TIME SOMETHING PASSES.
6:29:11PM SECOND, I'M ALARMED BY THE CALLS TO CARVE OUT SOUTH TAMPA.
6:29:14PM MY ISSUE ISN'T WITH THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA OR
6:29:17PM PROPOSALS TO EXCLUDE ALL OF SOUTH TAMPA UP TO I-275.
6:29:21PM THE ARGUMENTS BEING MADE FOR THAT ISN'T THAT WE SHOULD BE
6:29:24PM ADOPTING A POLICY OF REAL CLIMATE -- SOMETHING I WOULD
6:29:27PM ACTUALLY SUPPORT, BUT WE SHOULD BE EXCLUDING MORE PEOPLE
6:29:29PM FROM LIVING IN THE MOST EXCLUSIVE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY
6:29:32PM AND THAT WE SHOULD BE EXPORTING EXCESS DEMAND INTO OTHER
6:29:35PM NEIGHBORHOODS.
6:29:35PM THIS SHIFTS DEMAND IN EAST AND WEST TAMPA, RAISING LAND
6:29:39PM COSTS AND ACCELERATING GENTRIFICATION IN BLACK AND BROWN
6:29:43PM NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE ALREADY FEELING PRESSURE FROM
6:29:45PM OVERFLOW DEMAND FROM SOUTH TAMPA.
6:29:46PM EXCLUDING HIGH INCOME, MAJORITY WHITE SOUTH TAMPA, WHILE
6:29:46PM INTENTIONALLY CONCENTRATING DEVELOPMENT IN LOW INCOME
6:29:49PM COMMUNITIES, WHEN WE KNOW THIS SPECIFIC RECIPE IS WHAT
6:29:52PM CAUSES DISPLACEMENT AND DESTRUCTION OF EXISTING AFFORDABLE
6:29:55PM HOUSING, IS MORALLY INDEFENSIBLE.
6:29:58PM EAST AND WEST TAMPA HAVE THEIR OWN NEEDS FOR MORE HOUSING
6:30:00PM AND CAN'T BE A DUMPING GROUND FOR SOUTH TAMPA.
6:30:03PM I UNDERSTAND MANY IN SOUTH TAMPA THINK THEY ARE FULL.
6:30:05PM I'M NOT DISPUTING THAT THERE ARE SPECIFIC TECHNICAL
6:30:06PM CHALLENGES WITH MORE DEVELOPMENT IN SOUTH TAMPA.
6:30:08PM SOUTH TAMPA CANNOT BE CLOSED TO MORE DENSITY.
6:30:11PM THAT'S AHISTORICAL AND INCOMPATIBLE WITH BUILDING A
6:30:13PM FUNCTIONAL AND MORAL CITY.
6:30:14PM THAT CAN NEVER HAPPEN.
6:30:16PM ANY EXCLUSION BEYOND THE COASTAL HAZARD AREA NOT JUST FOR
6:30:19PM THIS PROPOSAL BUT FOR ANY CITYWIDE CHANGE IS A BETRAYAL.
6:30:22PM DOING IT WITHOUT DISTRICT 5 REPRESENTATION HERE TO SPEAK UP
6:30:25PM FOR THEIR COMMUNITY WOULD BE SHAMELESS.
6:30:26PM IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE VOTES TO TRANSMIT TONIGHT, YOU MUST
6:30:30PM DELAY UNTIL DISTRICT FIVE HAS A VOICE.
6:30:32PM THANK YOU.
6:30:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, NATHAN.
6:30:34PM WE HAVE JASON REEKMANS FOLLOWED BY STEPHEN MICHELINI.
6:30:40PM GOOD EVENING, START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
6:30:49PM >> GOOD EVENING.
6:30:52PM MY NAME IS JASON REEKMANS, DISTRICT 5 HERE.
6:30:57PM I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS MEETING AT THE LAST MINUTE.
6:31:03PM I'M HERE TO SAY THAT EAST TAMPA NEEDS MORE DENSITY.
6:31:09PM SO I TRAVEL TO OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY AND I SEE
6:31:13PM TOWNHOME-STYLE DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, QUADS, MULTIFAMILY
6:31:18PM APARTMENT COMPLEXES OR EVEN NONCONFORMING LOTS THAT I THINK
6:31:23PM WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN DISTRICT 5.
6:31:28PM BUT WHENEVER I GO TO THE CITY CENTER, LET'S SAY I FIND A
6:31:32PM 6,000-SQUARE-FOOT LOT AS OPPOSED TO ALLOWING ME TO SPLIT THE
6:31:36PM LOT AND BUILD TWO HOMES THAT WOULD BE AFFORDABLE FOR THE
6:31:40PM PEOPLE THAT DO LIVE IN DISTRICT FIVE, I'M TOLD, NO, AND TO
6:31:45PM BUILD SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, WHICH WOULD BE UNAFFORDABLE, LIKE,
6:31:49PM SO, FOR INSTANCE, A HALF A MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE WOULD COST
6:31:53PM ROUGHLY ABOUT -- THE MORTGAGE WOULD BE LIKE 6 GRAND.
6:31:59PM THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN EAST TAMPA CAN'T AFFORD STUFF LIKE
6:32:02PM THAT.
6:32:02PM SO, REALLY, WHENEVER I GO TO THE CITY CENTER AND INQUIRE
6:32:13PM ABOUT REZONING, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
6:32:16PM I'M TOLD THAT I NEED TO GO THROUGH A PD, A PLANNED
6:32:19PM DEVELOPMENT, AND I'D HAVE TO PAY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO GET
6:32:23PM SOMETHING REZONED TO SOMETHING MORE AFFORDABLE, AND THEY CAN
6:32:27PM TELL ME NO.
6:32:30PM AND IT WILL TAKE ME 18 MONTHS TO DO STUFF LIKE THAT.
6:32:33PM I THINK IT'S NOT FAIR.
6:32:34PM NOT JUST, NOT RIGHT.
6:32:36PM YEAH, I COULD BE TOLD NO WITH NO FURTHER RECOURSE.
6:32:43PM I JUST WANTED THAT TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THIS
6:32:47PM NEW PLAN.
6:32:49PM THAT IS ALL.
6:32:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:32:52PM STEVE MICHELINI FOLLOWED BY -- I CAN'T READ THE FIRST NAME
6:32:57PM -- BUT IT'S SHIFT.
6:32:58PM GORDON.
6:33:01PM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
6:33:02PM A COUPLE OF THINGS, I THINK THIS IS A REVISED PLAN FROM THE
6:33:08PM PLANNING COMMISSION ADDRESSES A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT
6:33:10PM WERE HELD -- YOU KNOW, THAT CAME OUT OF THE MEETINGS.
6:33:14PM BUT IT'S JUST TOO SOON FOR US TO TRY TO DIGEST ALL OF THAT.
6:33:19PM THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THERE.
6:33:21PM CERTAINLY, YOU RECEIVED AN E-MAIL THERE ME ENCOURAGING YOU
6:33:24PM TO CONTINUE THIS AND NOT TRANSMIT.
6:33:26PM BUT DEFINING THE TRANSIT CORRIDORS NEEDS TO BE BETTER
6:33:32PM DEFINED.
6:33:33PM IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE A QUARTER MILE, 8th OF A MILE,
6:33:39PM WHATEVER, YOU HAVE IN YOUR CODE ALREADY 300-FOOT RADIUSES,
6:33:42PM 250 FEET RADIUSES.
6:33:43PM YOU PLUG THEM INTO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEB PAGE AND IT
6:33:47PM COMES OUT.
6:33:48PM SO CALCULATING THAT AND CHANGING IT TO QUARTER MILES OR
6:33:53PM EIGHTHS OR 16ths IS MORE DIFFICULT.
6:33:57PM THAT SHOULD BE A DISTANCE AS OPPOSED TO QUARTER MILES.
6:34:01PM TOWN HOUSES DON'T BELONG IN THE MIDDLE OF SINGLE-FAMILY
6:34:04PM NEIGHBORHOODS, PERIOD.
6:34:05PM I DON'T KNOW OF ANY RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPER THAT WOULD COME IN
6:34:08PM AND PROPOSE SUCH A THING.
6:34:11PM THE PERIMETERS OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS IS ONE THING, BUT
6:34:13PM INSIDE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
6:34:17PM AND YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE
6:34:20PM PROTECTED SO THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
6:34:23PM EVEN IF YOU HAVE LARGE TRACTS OF LAND, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT
6:34:27PM WAS INTENDED TO DO.
6:34:28PM MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE GO INTO BONUS AGREEMENTS, THAT YOU
6:34:33PM EXTEND THE ABILITY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS BEYOND
6:34:37PM THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT PROJECT SO THAT IT HELPS TO CLEAN UP
6:34:41PM OR ADDRESS ISSUES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE AREA OF THE
6:34:46PM DEVELOPMENT ITSELF AND NOT JUST LIMITED TO THE IMMEDIATE
6:34:49PM AREA.
6:34:50PM OBVIOUSLY, STORMWATER AND SPECIFIC INFRASTRUCTURE
6:34:53PM IMPROVEMENTS WE LAG BEHIND SERIOUSLY.
6:34:57PM AND IF A PROJECT, LARGE OR SMALL, IF IT WANTS TO GO BEYOND
6:35:01PM THE PERIMETER AS A DONATION TOWARD, A CONTRIBUTION TOWARD
6:35:04PM MITIGATING ITS IMPACT, THAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED AND IT SHOULD
6:35:07PM BE CLEARLY DEFINED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS THE
6:35:10PM UPDATE FOR THE CODES.
6:35:13PM THE RIGHTS-OF-WAY, AND WE TALKED ABOUT TRANSPORTATION -- THE
6:35:21PM RIGHTS-OF-WAY AND THE WIDTHS ARE FIXED.
6:35:23PM YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WIDEN ANY OF THESE STREETS.
6:35:25PM HOWARD AVENUE OR SWANN OR WHATEVER, YOU CAN'T WIDEN THEM
6:35:31PM WITHOUT TAKING OUT ALL THESE PROPERTIES.
6:35:33PM YOU ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE REQUIRING
6:35:36PM ADDITIONAL PARKING.
6:35:38PM THESE ARE URBAN STANDARDS.
6:35:42PM THEY ARE SUBURBAN STANDARDS BEING APPLIED TO URBAN AREAS.
6:35:45PM THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE CAUSING YOU TO GO IN AND DEMOLISH
6:35:51PM ADJACENT STRUCTURES, WHICH PROBABLY SHOULD NOT BE YOUR GOAL.
6:35:56PM ANYWAY, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
6:35:59PM THEY ARE SPECIFIC.
6:35:59PM I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
6:36:01PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:36:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, STEPHEN.
6:36:03PM GORDON SHIFT, FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL MAURINO.
6:36:08PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MR. CHAIR.
6:36:11PM GORDON SHIFT, 4155 WEST CYPRESS STREET.
6:36:15PM I JUST WANTED, AFTER LISTENING TO THE INITIAL COMMENTS FROM
6:36:19PM COUNCIL, I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
6:36:23PM I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK AND COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN,
6:36:26PM WHO BROUGHT UP SOME INTERESTING IDEAS, ARE WORTHY OF
6:36:30PM EXPLORATION.
6:36:30PM I AM ALSO ONE WHO BELIEVES THAT TRANSIT IS COMING.
6:36:35PM I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO RUN FROM DOWNTOWN TO WESTSHORE.
6:36:38PM I BELIEVE WESTSHORE WILL BE A HUGE LOCATION FOR TRANSIT.
6:36:41PM THERE ARE SOME RESERVED AREAS ALREADY, AND THEN THERE ALSO
6:36:45PM WILL BE TRANSIT GOING NORTH.
6:36:48PM IN THE MIDDLE YOU HAVE THE HEART OF THE CITY AND THE HEART
6:36:50PM OF THE CITY WILL BENEFIT FROM THAT.
6:36:53PM I'M HUGE SUPPORT OF THE STREETCAR BUT I THINK IT WILL BE
6:36:56PM SOMETHING MUCH MORE MODERN WHEN WE GET TO THE END OF IT.
6:36:59PM I WOULD ENCOURAGE TO YOU START PLANNING.
6:37:01PM I THINK THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS, OR WHATEVER YOU CALL
6:37:03PM THEM, SOMETIMES DO SCARE PEOPLE.
6:37:05PM SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO DEFINE HUBS AND
6:37:09PM LOCATIONS AND THE ABILITY TO CREATE NEW HUBS.
6:37:12PM I THINK THEY ARE COMING.
6:37:13PM PEOPLE ARE COMING TO FLORIDA.
6:37:14PM WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THEM.
6:37:16PM WITH REGARD TO THE CITY OF TAMPA, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S
6:37:19PM PUSH-BACK FROM CERTAIN AREAS, AND THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
6:37:21PM SO YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO PLAN AROUND THAT.
6:37:23PM BUT THE HEART OF THE CITY AND GOING NORTH AND EAST AND WEST
6:37:27PM BETWEEN DOWNTOWN AND WESTSHORE IS HAPPENING, AND I THINK
6:37:30PM IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY AND I HOPE YOU DON'T LOSE IT.
6:37:33PM APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
6:37:35PM I'LL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE REST OF YOUR COMMENTS.
6:37:37PM THE OTHER MEMBERS I KNOW DIDN'T GET MUCH CHANCE TO SAY MUCH
6:37:40PM BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO THEIR COMMENTS AS WELL.
6:37:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
6:37:43PM MICHAEL MAURINO FOLLOWED BY SANDY SANCHEZ.
6:37:46PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
6:37:47PM GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
6:37:48PM MICHAEL MAURINO, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF WESTSHORE ALLIANCE.
6:37:51PM THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS MEETING.
6:37:53PM ALSO WANT TO THANK THE CITY STAFF AND THE PLANNING STAFF.
6:37:56PM EVAN JOHNSON -- WORKING WITH US ON THIS BUT ALSO MELISSA
6:38:00PM DICKENS AND JENNIFER MALONE.
6:38:03PM WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS AS AN ORGANIZATION FOR THREE
6:38:06PM YEARS.
6:38:07PM JUST FROM THE PERSPECTIVE FOR THE SAKE OF THE AUDIENCE, THE
6:38:10PM WESTSHORE DISTRICT BY WHICH WE DEFINE IT IS HIMES AVENUE TO
6:38:14PM ROCKY POINT AND HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE TO KENNEDY.
6:38:17PM SO IT'S NOT INCLUSIVE OF SAY WESTSHORE MARINA, NOT INCLUSIVE
6:38:21PM SOUTH OF GANDY OR REALLY MUCH OF SOUTH OF KENNEDY.
6:38:23PM IT'S TRULY THE WESTSHORE ACTIVITY CENTER.
6:38:25PM SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS PROVIDED AS PART OF THE COMP
6:38:29PM PLAN UPDATE IS A CONCEPT CALLED, A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA.
6:38:34PM WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS IS
6:38:36PM ADVOCATE FOR SUSTAINABLE COASTAL GROWTH BECAUSE WESTSHORE IS
6:38:39PM LITERALLY ON THE SHORE.
6:38:40PM THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS, RIGHT.
6:38:42PM HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOME MECHANISM THAT ALLOWS THAT
6:38:45PM GROWTH GOING FORWARD WHILE ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE
6:38:48PM GOING TO HURRICANES, GOING TO HAVE SEA LEVEL RISE, SOME
6:38:52PM ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, HOW WE MANAGE THAT.
6:38:54PM THE COASTAL AREA AS PROPOSED DOES THAT.
6:38:57PM IF YOU LOOK ON THE MAP, IT REALLY FOCUSES ON WHERE YOU COULD
6:39:00PM DEVELOP MIXED USE.
6:39:01PM EXCLUDES WHERE YOU CAN DO SINGLE-FAMILY.
6:39:05PM BUT THE OTHER PART OF IT IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE AIRPORT'S
6:39:09PM HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, THERE'S ALREADY A LIMIT ON WHERE YOU
6:39:11PM CAN PUT HOUSING AND THE DENSITY AND HEIGHTS OF HOUSING IN
6:39:14PM WESTSHORE.
6:39:15PM SO THE ULTIMATE EFFECT IS THAT WESTSHORE HAS THE SAME
6:39:19PM DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL AS DOWNTOWN, AS USF, WITH THE
6:39:22PM EXCEPTION OF HEIGHT.
6:39:24PM AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN'T OVERCOME.
6:39:27PM WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK MENTIONED, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE THE
6:39:32PM LANGUAGE OF HER MOTION IS, BUT THE CONCEPT OF WESTSHORE,
6:39:35PM DOWNTOWN, CENTER CITY UP TO USF, HAVING A SIMILAR LAND USE
6:39:40PM POLICIES IS EFFECTIVE IN TERMS OF WHERE WE WANT TO GUIDE
6:39:43PM GROWTH.
6:39:43PM IT OBVIOUSLY CREATES TRANSIT OPPORTUNITIES.
6:39:45PM CREATES MIXED USE OPPORTUNITIES.
6:39:48PM GOING TO HAVE GROWTH IN THE CITY, WE NEED TO START LOOKING
6:39:50PM AT WHERE WE CAN PUT MIXED USE, HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT
6:39:53PM BENEFITS OVERALL COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT CREATES SUSTAINABLE
6:39:57PM ECONOMY, CREATES GROWTH GOING FORWARD BUT ALSO INCLUSIVE
6:40:00PM GROWTH BECAUSE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE USES ON THE SAME SITE.
6:40:02PM IT'S LESS OF A DRAIN ON INFRASTRUCTURE.
6:40:06PM I WANT TO MENTION THAT BECAUSE WHAT WE PROVIDED OVER THE
6:40:08PM LAST THREE YEARS, BOTH IN COMMENTS TO YOU PRIVATELY AND ALSO
6:40:10PM TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF, IS THAT -- AND WE HAVE
6:40:14PM THIS BAY HERE.
6:40:15PM WE HAVE TO KIND OF DEAL WITH THIS WATERFRONT AND WHERE THE
6:40:18PM COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA CONCEPT COMES IN, THAT'S WHERE IT
6:40:21PM DEALS WITH IT.
6:40:22PM YOU WANT TO HAVE GROWTH IN DOWNTOWN.
6:40:24PM YOU WANT TO HAVE GROWTH IN WESTSHORE.
6:40:25PM YOU WANT TO HAVE GROWTH IN THE CRA.
6:40:27PM SO THAT PART OF THIS PLAN IS VIABLE.
6:40:30PM WHETHER IT'S IN A PLACE LIKE HARBOUR ISLAND WHERE YOU CAN
6:40:33PM BUILD FOR IT JUST LIKE AT ROCKY POINT.
6:40:35PM THE BUILDING CODES ARE THERE.
6:40:36PM YOU SAW IT WITH HELENE.
6:40:38PM YOU SAW IT WITH MILTON. A LOT OF WHAT WAS POST HURRICANE
6:40:42PM ANDREW SURVIVED.
6:40:44PM AS LONG AS WE ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT, WE'LL HAVE
6:40:45PM SUSTAINABILITY AND COASTAL PROPOSAL AS PROPOSED BY PLANNING
6:40:50PM COMMISSION IS A WAY TO GO WITH THAT.
6:40:53PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
6:40:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SANDY SANCHEZ FOLLOWED BY MICHELE OGILVIE.
6:40:57PM WELCOME BACK, MS. SANCHEZ.
6:41:17PM >> THANK YOU.
6:41:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ADRIAN LARAMIE FOR AN ADDITIONAL MINUTE.
6:41:22PM TOTAL OF FOUR.
6:41:28PM >> I'M HERE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT WEST TAMPA.
6:41:30PM WHEN I SAW --
6:41:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START WITH YOUR NAME.
6:41:33PM YOU'VE BEEN GONE TOO LONG.
6:41:35PM >> SANDY SANCHEZ.
6:41:36PM I LIVE IN WEST TAMPA.
6:41:37PM WHEN I SAW THE LATEST AND THE GREATEST ON THIS, AND I SAW
6:41:41PM THE WEST TAMPA, COULD NOT RESIST PUTTING IN THE COMMUNITIES,
6:41:45PM THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE IN THAT COMMUNITY.
6:41:47PM WHY WOULD YOU HIGHLIGHT WEST TAMPA HERITAGE COMMUNITIES FOR
6:41:51PM DESTRUCTION?
6:41:52PM THIS PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ENCASED EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD
6:41:57PM COMMUNITY WITH HIGH-DENSITY HOUSING.
6:41:59PM DO YOU SEE IT ELSEWHERE OTHER THAN YBOR CITY?
6:42:03PM WHY WAS THIS HERITAGE COMMUNITY WITH THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT
6:42:08PM AN IMPORTANT MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING BEING TARGETED?
6:42:11PM HOWARD AND ARMENIA AS A TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR, TWO MAJOR
6:42:16PM ARTERIAL ROADS LESS THAN AN 8th OF A MILE APART.
6:42:20PM ARMORY GARDENS ALONE IS ONLY 48 SQUARE BLOCKS.
6:42:28PM IF YOU WERE TO SURROUND ARMORY GARDENS WITH THIS HOUSING, WE
6:42:31PM WOULD LOSE 14 BLOCKS.
6:42:33PM WE WOULD BE ENCASED IN MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, COMMERCIAL,
6:42:39PM WHICH WOULD JUST ADD MORE PROBLEMS TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
6:42:44PM ARMENIA AND HOWARD ARE MAJOR ARTERIES, AND WHEN THE
6:42:48PM INTERSTATE IS BACKED UP, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE USED AS
6:42:51PM SHORTCUTS TO GET OUT OF THE TRAFFIC.
6:42:53PM THE TRAFFIC IS HERE AND NOW.
6:42:58PM IT'S TODAY.
6:42:59PM IT'S NOT TOMORROW.
6:43:00PM WE NEED MASS TRANSIT NOW AND NEITHER THE CITY NOR THE COUNTY
6:43:05PM HAS ASKED FOR A STUDY TO SEE WHICH WOULD BE THE BEST
6:43:09PM POSSIBLE MASS TRANSPORTATION FOR THE SITUATION THAT IS
6:43:12PM COMING.
6:43:12PM I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MR. VIERA.
6:43:15PM I DO NOT HAVE A POSITIVE THOUGHT TOWARDS OUR PRESENTATION.
6:43:21PM THE BUS LINES AND THE TROLLEY WILL HAVE TO GO ON CITY ROADS
6:43:27PM AND THEY HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT PEOPLE IN CARS DO.
6:43:30PM YOU ARE IN TROUBLE WHEN THERE IS A BACKUP.
6:43:34PM BUSES CANNOT BE ON TIME.
6:43:36PM NEITHER CAN THE TROLLEY WHEN THEY ARE STUCK IN TRAFFIC WHICH
6:43:39PM MAKES THEM NOT A RESPONSIBLE MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION.
6:43:42PM WHAT MONEY WOULD WE USE?
6:43:46PM TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS.
6:43:49PM THE WORD READY IMPLIES THAT YOU'RE READY FOR SOMETHING.
6:43:52PM YOU HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE.
6:43:55PM WE DO NOT.
6:43:56PM WE HAVE JUST SEEN THE STATE DEFUND MANY PROJECTS IN
6:44:00PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
6:44:01PM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S FUNDING WITH THE PRESENT
6:44:06PM ADMINISTRATION IS NONEXISTENT.
6:44:09PM WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS IN OUR PRESENT BUDGET THAT COUNT
6:44:12PM FOR FEDERAL FUNDS.
6:44:13PM JUST THINK ABOUT IT.
6:44:15PM HOW CAN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS 2045 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
6:44:19PM WHEN YOU KNOW THE END RESULTS WILL BE HEAVY TRAFFIC
6:44:22PM CONGESTION WITH NO PLANNING SOLUTIONS.
6:44:26PM PLEASE SEND THE PLANNING COMMISSION BACK TO THE DRAWING
6:44:28PM BOARD AND SAVE THE GREAT CITY OF TAMPA FROM THIS IRRATIONAL
6:44:33PM INSANITY.
6:44:34PM DESTROY THE SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN EXCHANGE FOR
6:44:37PM AUTOMOBILE EXHAUST.
6:44:38PM PLEASE SAY NO.
6:44:39PM I KNOW PRESSURE IS ON TO APPROVE, BUT PLEASE SEND THE
6:44:43PM PLANNING COMMISSION BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
6:44:45PM PROTECT THE TAX-PAYING CITIZENS, YOUR CONSTITUENTS FROM THE
6:44:49PM CHAOS FROM THIS PLAN.
6:44:51PM A YEAR AGO WHEN WE WERE FIRST ASKED TO HELP WITH THIS PLAN,
6:44:56PM WE ASKED FOR A HOUSING STUDY.
6:45:00PM WE WERE TOLD THEY WERE NOT AVAILABLE.
6:45:02PM TOOK ME THREE WEEKS TO GET THE REPORTS FROM JC HUDGENS FROM
6:45:07PM PERMITTING.
6:45:08PM IN 2024, THERE WERE 2400 -- 2,480 UNITS.
6:45:16PM WE NEED 1400 UNITS A YEAR FOR THE 2045 PLAN, AND WE NEED
6:45:21PM 1500 A YEAR AND ALREADY IN 2025, WE'VE ALREADY PERMITTED FOR
6:45:27PM THE SIX MONTHS 1,780 UNITS.
6:45:31PM THIS PLAN --
6:45:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MS. SANCHEZ.
6:45:35PM >> -- IS FOR WHAT?
6:45:35PM PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT FIXING IT.
6:45:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MICHELE OGILVIE FOLLOWED BY DEBBIE
6:45:41PM ZOMERMAAND.
6:45:46PM >> THANK YOU.
6:45:48PM MICHELE OGILVIE.
6:45:51PM I'M REPRESENTING THE UNIVERSITY SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
6:45:54PM I'D LIKE TO THANK MR. VIERA, MR. CARLSON, MR. CLENDENIN FOR
6:45:59PM COMING TO US THESE PAST YEARS.
6:46:01PM THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. HURTAK FOR ALLOWING US THIS
6:46:05PM OPPORTUNITY.
6:46:05PM MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE THE BEST, AND SO IS MR. MANISCALCO.
6:46:09PM THANK YOU.
6:46:09PM OKAY.
6:46:11PM SO I'VE DONE THAT.
6:46:12PM WE HAVE SEVERAL REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE PUT TO YOU IN WRITING
6:46:17PM AND COPIED THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
6:46:20PM THE FIRST ONE IS TO REMOVE THE DESIGNATION OF FOWLER AVENUE
6:46:25PM ACTIVITY CENTER FROM EVERY RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION BETWEEN
6:46:31PM NEBRASKA AND 30th STREET AND NORTH OF 109th.
6:46:37PM WE KNOW WHAT IS COMING, AND WE CANNOT DEAL WITH THIS UNTIL
6:46:43PM WE HAVE A GOOD PLANNING PRODUCT, A NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING
6:46:47PM PRODUCT THAT ALLOWS US TO GIVE THE VOICE OF THOSE WHO ARE
6:46:52PM NOT INCLUDED IN THIS PLAN.
6:46:55PM WE HAVE A LOT OF TRANSIT DEPENDENT PEOPLE WHO LIVE ALREADY
6:47:01PM IN THE CORRIDORS THAT ARE BEING SUGGESTED TO CHANGE, AND
6:47:05PM THEY HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD FROM.
6:47:07PM WE AS THE UNIVERSITY SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION, HAVE ADVANCED
6:47:14PM OUR VIEW, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE
6:47:19PM FOWLER AVENUE REDEVELOPMENT FROM THE INTERSTATE TO THE
6:47:24PM INTERSTATE ON FOWLER AVENUE.
6:47:28PM OUR FIRST REQUIREMENT IS THAT IT BECOME PEOPLE FOCUSED AND
6:47:32PM NOT CAR FOCUSED.
6:47:34PM SO WE HAVE ASKED FOR SOME CHANGES TO THE WORDING IN POLICY,
6:47:38PM I THINK 2.3.2 THAT STARTS OFF WITH 45 MILES PER HOUR SPEED.
6:47:44PM IT'S ALREADY THAT.
6:47:46PM WE'VE HAD NINE PEOPLE KILLED, OUR NEIGHBORS, WITHIN THE TIME
6:47:51PM FRAME OF ANY DATA ASSOCIATED BECAUSE DATA IS NEVER -- VERY
6:47:59PM INCONVENIENT TRUTH.
6:47:59PM SO WE MUST HAVE MORE FOCUS ON WHAT IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO
6:48:05PM ACHIEVE IN THIS AREA.
6:48:07PM WE SUPPORT THE REDEVELOPMENT THAT HAS OCCURRED ON FOWLER
6:48:12PM AVENUE TO DATE WITH WHAT'S CALLED METRO TAMPA.
6:48:17PM NEW PEOPLE ARE THERE.
6:48:18PM OUR STUDENTS ARE THERE.
6:48:19PM THEY ARE CROSSING THE ROAD AND USING THE FACILITIES, AND WE
6:48:23PM SAY YAY.
6:48:24PM PLEASE CONTINUE TO FOCUS YOUR ATTENTION ON FOWLER AVENUE,
6:48:30PM THE STREET.
6:48:31PM CHILDREN WALK 50 OR MORE PERCENT TO THE SCHOOLS EVERY DAY
6:48:40PM AND WE CANNOT HAVE ANY MORE FATALITIES AS WE HAVE HAD OVER
6:48:43PM THE YEARS.
6:48:44PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL.
6:48:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:48:46PM DEBBIE, FOLLOWED BY SUSAN SWIFT.
6:49:04PM >> IS THAT ON THERE CORRECTLY?
6:49:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THERE IS A WHEEL ON THE TOP.
6:49:14PM >> DEBBIE ZOMERMAAND.
6:49:20PM FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF
6:49:23PM AND CITY OF TAMPA STAFF FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE AND
6:49:25PM PARTICIPATION IN THE MEETINGS.
6:49:26PM I THINK THEY WERE GREAT.
6:49:27PM I ATTENDED SEVERAL OF THEM AS WELL AND I'VE HEARD VERY GOOD
6:49:32PM COMMENTS TONIGHT, AND I THINK A LOT OF THEM SHOULD BE
6:49:35PM FOLLOWED.
6:49:35PM I THINK THEY WERE GREAT.
6:49:37PM PARTICULARLY PAULA MECKLEY AND I BELIEVE CARROLL ANN BENNETT
6:49:40PM WILL GIVE VERY GOOD COMMENTS AS WELL THAT OVER THE COURSE OF
6:49:43PM THE MEETINGS IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I HEARD THE COMMUNITY
6:49:46PM ASKING FOR.
6:49:47PM I HAVE OUTLINED MY OBSERVATIONS AND CONCERNS FROM A GLOBAL
6:49:52PM PERSPECTIVE, AND CHANGES IDENTIFIED IN THE COMP PLAN
6:49:55PM AMENDMENT ARE TOO BROAD AND NEED MORE SPECIFICITY TO ENSURE
6:49:59PM SMART, TARGETED DEVELOPMENT IN AREAS WHERE GROWTH IS
6:50:02PM PREFERRED.
6:50:03PM THE 2045 COMP PLAN PROPOSAL REFLECTS EXPECTED RESIDENTIAL
6:50:07PM AND JOB GROWTH WITHOUT ADDRESSING THE FACT THAT MUCH OF THE
6:50:10PM GROWTH IS CONTEMPLATED WITHIN THE CURRENT PLAN.
6:50:13PM ANY AMENDMENT TO THE COMP PLAN WITHOUT FURTHER REFINING THE
6:50:17PM NET CHANGE IN GROWTH IS PREMATURE.
6:50:19PM WHEN REFERRING TO THE CONSISTENCY MATRIX, WHICH IS THIS
6:50:24PM MATRIX RIGHT HERE, IT'S CLEAR THAT THE R-10 DISTRICT IS A
6:50:29PM SINGLE-FAMILY DISTRICT.
6:50:30PM IF YOU GO IN AND YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT DEFINITION OF
6:50:37PM TOWNHOMES, TOWN HOUSES, IT DOES SAY TWO OR MORE
6:50:40PM SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLINGS WITHIN A STRUCTURE HAVING COMMON
6:50:44PM SIDE WALLS, FRONT AND REAR YARDS AND INDIVIDUAL ENTRYWAYS,
6:50:47PM SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING AND SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED
6:50:50PM DWELLING.
6:50:51PM THOSE ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN AN R-10.
6:50:53PM I THINK WHAT YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS FOCUS ON THE FACT THAT
6:50:57PM MULTIFAMILY HAS BEEN INTRODUCED INTO THIS TOWNHOME CONCEPT.
6:51:00PM IT SHOULD BE TOTALLY REMOVED FROM THE R-10 CONCEPT.
6:51:03PM THERE SHOULD BE NO REFERENCE TO MULTIFAMILY IN THE R-10.
6:51:06PM WITHIN R-10 DISTRICTS, ALLEY ACCESS SHOULD BE REQUIRED FOR
6:51:11PM ALL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND SEMI DETACHED RESIDENTIAL
6:51:14PM UNITS.
6:51:15PM I THINK YOU'VE SEEN PLENTY OF INFORMATION AT THESE MEETINGS
6:51:19PM WHERE LOSING CURB CUTS CAN CREATE SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS, AND
6:51:23PM WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AGAINST THAT.
6:51:26PM TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS SHOULD BE FURTHER REFINED TO BETTER
6:51:28PM ALIGN WITH REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTERS, AREAS OF PROJECTED
6:51:31PM GROWTH AND AREAS WITH ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS ABLE TO
6:51:34PM SUPPORT ADDITIONAL GROWTH.
6:51:36PM PRIOR TO ESTABLISHING A TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR, THE ROADWAY
6:51:38PM SHOULD BE ANALYZED TO ASSURE THAT SUFFICIENT INFRASTRUCTURE
6:51:42PM CAPACITY WILL EXIST TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH CONSISTENT WITH
6:51:46PM SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS' COMMENTS HERE.
6:51:48PM I DEFER TO THE EXPERTS, BUT IT SEEMS THAT ROADWAYS WITH POOR
6:51:50PM LEVELS OF SERVICE, REGULAR FLOODING, LITTLE TO NO CURRENT OR
6:51:54PM PROPOSED TRANSIT ACTUALLY ARE NOT TRANSIT-READY.
6:51:57PM PROPOSED TRCs NOT OWNED BY THE CITY NEED TO BE REVIEWED TO
6:52:00PM ENSURE THAT IF IMPROVEMENTS ARE NECESSARY, THE CAPITAL
6:52:03PM IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS WOULD BE PRIORITIZED BY THE NON-CITY
6:52:08PM ENTITY OWNING THE ROADWAY.
6:52:09PM IN ADDITION TO THE FOREGOING, THERE HAVE BEEN AND WILL BE
6:52:11PM CHANGES TO OTHER SECTIONS OF THE COMP PLAN WHICH COULD
6:52:14PM ADVERSELY IMPACT FUTURE LAND USE SECTIONS.
6:52:17PM RESIDENTS NEED TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE MEANINGFUL
6:52:20PM COMMENTS AS TO FUTURE VERSIONS OF THE PLAN ARE RELEASED.
6:52:23PM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
6:52:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
6:52:25PM WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO SUSAN SWIFT, COME ON UP.
6:52:29PM AFTER SUSAN SPEAKS, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK.
6:52:32PM IT WILL BE A REAL 15-MINUTE BREAK.
6:52:35PM I'M GOING TO GAVEL IN RIGHT AT 15.
6:52:37PM SO I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BACK IN THEIR SEATS.
6:52:40PM SO WHEN WE COME BACK, SO WE CAN START.
6:52:42PM IT'S STILL GOING TO BE -- I DON'T KNOW.
6:52:47PM WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF SPEAKERS IN FRONT OF US.
6:52:49PM IF YOU ARE THINKING YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A BREAK, I'LL GIVE
6:52:55PM YOU ONE IN A MINUTE.
6:52:57PM SUSAN, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
6:52:58PM >> SUSAN SWIFT.
6:52:59PM I'M SPEAKING AS A HOMEOWNER AND CERTIFIED URBAN PLANNER.
6:53:03PM I APPRECIATE THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE SO FAR.
6:53:07PM I THINK THEY ARE GREAT.
6:53:08PM I DON'T THINK IT GOES FAR ENOUGH.
6:53:10PM SO MY KIND OF TOP FOUR CONCERNS ARE THERE SHOULD BE NO
6:53:15PM TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR OR BONUSES AS THEY ARE IN EFFECT NOW
6:53:22PM OR AS THEY ARE DRAFTED NOW.
6:53:24PM NOT IN THE REZ 10, NO TOWNHOMES AT ALL IN THE RESIDENTIAL
6:53:32PM 10.
6:53:32PM I THINK THERE SHOULD BE ADDED DENSITY PUT ON THE LAND USE
6:53:35PM MAP IN APPROPRIATE PLACES WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE
6:53:39PM DEVELOPMENT AND OR WHERE WE HAVE REAL TRANSIT AND OR WHERE
6:53:44PM WE HAVE MEANINGFUL TRANSIT THAT'S ACTUALLY BUDGETED.
6:53:47PM MY FOURTH POINT AND I'LL EXPLAIN SOME OF THEM, I THINK THIS
6:53:54PM IS KIND OF FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE LIVE LOCAL ACT AND THE
6:54:00PM BENEFITS AND THE INCENTIVES THAT THAT PROVIDES.
6:54:04PM I'LL EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT THAT LATER.
6:54:06PM IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL NEED, I THINK MS. ZORNITTA SAID WE
6:54:13PM WANT TO INCENTIVIZE GROWTH.
6:54:15PM I THINK THE THEME OF THE PLAN SHOULD BE WE WANT TO DIRECT
6:54:19PM GROWTH.
6:54:20PM THERE ARE PLACES THAT NEED INCENTIVES AND THEN THERE ARE
6:54:22PM LOTS OF PLACES THAT, AS YOU'VE HEARD, DON'T NEED OR WANT
6:54:26PM INCENTIVES.
6:54:27PM SO I THINK IT'S REALLY, WHERE CAN WE DIRECT THEM.
6:54:33PM A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS ARE WHY.
6:54:35PM WHY DO WE NEED -- I HAVEN'T SEEN EVIDENCE.
6:54:39PM WHY DO WE NEED 5400 MORE TOWNHOME LOTS OR TOWNHOMES
6:54:44PM SPRINKLED, NOT IN ANY PLACE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH FOR
6:54:46PM TRANSIT, BUT SPRINKLED THROUGH OUR SINGLE-FAMILY
6:54:49PM NEIGHBORHOODS.
6:54:50PM I HAVEN'T SEEN REAL EVIDENCE AS TO WHY WE NEED 24,300
6:54:55PM PARCELS THAT WOULD ALLOW THE BONUS FOR TRANSIT-READY
6:54:59PM CORRIDORS.
6:55:00PM IT'S WHAT'S THE REAL GOAL, AND I FEEL LIKE THERE IS A LITTLE
6:55:06PM BIT OF KIND OF BACKWARDNESS.
6:55:08PM REGARDING MORE SPECIFICALLY, I THINK TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR
6:55:12PM IS A EUPHEMISM AND THE PLAN KIND OF HAS IT BACKWARDS.
6:55:15PM TRANSIT IS SUPPOSED TO COME BEFORE DENSITY.
6:55:17PM IT REALLY MAKES A MOCKERY OF CONCURRENCY, WHICH I KNOW ISN'T
6:55:22PM AS STRONG AS IT USED TO BE, BUT OUR PLANS REALLY ARE BASED
6:55:26PM ON ADEQUATE FACILITIES.
6:55:27PM SO I DON'T THINK WE WOULD ADD 30,000 MORE UNITS, THINKING
6:55:32PM IT'S GOING TO GET US BETTER SCHOOLS OR BETTER POLICE FUNDING
6:55:36PM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
6:55:37PM DENSITY DOESN'T BRING TRANSIT.
6:55:39PM FUNDING DOES.
6:55:41PM THE ADDED DENSITY IN THIS LAND USE PLAN IS REALLY NOT GOING
6:55:47PM TO BE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO BRING DENSITY ALL ALONG THESE
6:55:51PM CORRIDORS.
6:55:51PM YES, DALE MABRY IS SOMETHING WHERE THERE SHOULD BE TRANSIT
6:55:57PM READY DENSITIES, BUT IN NODES, IN INTERSECTIONS, NOT ALONG
6:56:02PM EVERY SINGLE BLOCK.
6:56:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MS. SWIFT.
6:56:05PM HAVE A WONDERFUL EVENING.
6:56:07PM IT IS 6:56.
6:56:08PM WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A 15-MINUTE BREAK.
6:56:11PM SO EVERYBODY BACK IN THEIR SEATS AT 7:16 -- SEE, I CAN'T
6:56:19PM EVEN COUNT.
6:56:20PM 7:10.
6:56:21PM THANK YOU TO THE SCHOOLTEACHER.
6:56:23PM JAIME JONES AND CARROLL ANN BENNETT ARE THE NEXT TWO
6:56:28PM SPEAKERS.
6:56:29PM [BREAK]
07:11:08 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE GOING TO START.
07:11:10 [GAVEL SOUNDING]
07:11:26 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE COUNCIL TO ORDER.
07:11:29 QUIET, PLEASE.
07:11:33 ROLL CALL.
07:11:35 >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
07:11:36 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
07:11:42 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
07:11:43 >>CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
07:11:45 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SPEAKERS -- 15 SPEAKERS LEFT ON THE AGENDA
07:11:54 TONIGHT.
07:11:54 >> CAN I SAY ONE OPERATIONAL THING?
07:11:58 I KNOW WE HAVE A TRANSCRIPT HERE, BUT I AM TRYING TO TAKE
07:12:02 NOTES.
07:12:02 WHEN YOU ALL MENTION, LIKE, LU 3.2.1, BLAH-BLAH-BLAH.
07:12:09 IF YOU SPEAK REALLY FAST, I CAN'T WRITE IT DOWN.
07:12:12 WE HAVE TRANSCRIPT AND EVERYTHING, BUT IF YOU HAVE PRINTOUTS
07:12:16 OF IT, IF YOU CAN GIVE IT TO US OR JUST SPEAK A LITTLE BIT
07:12:19 SLOWLY WHEN READING THROUGH NUMBERS.
07:12:21 WE ARE ALL TAKING NOTES.
07:12:24 >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THAT IS WHY I CALLED A BREAK.
07:12:28 I AM MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF AND TALKED
07:12:29 TO THEM.
07:12:30 THEY ARE ALSO TAKING NOTES.
07:12:31 AND AFTER WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION
07:12:38 -- WE CAN LET THEM GET THEIR THOUGHTS TOGETHER SO WE CAN GO
07:12:42 FORWARD.
07:12:42 BUT THEY ARE TAKING DETAILED NOTES AS WELL.
07:12:45 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE WATCHED THEM DILIGENTLY SCRIBBLING
07:12:49 OVER THERE.
07:12:49 AS PROMISED, WE HAVE JAIME JONES FOLLOWED BY CARROLL ANN
07:12:53 BENNETT.
07:12:53 JAMIE?
07:13:04 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
07:13:06 >> JAIME JONES.
07:13:07 ALL RIGHT.
07:13:09 A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ME.
07:13:10 SO I LIVE IN WEST TAMPA HEIGHTS, AND I WORK AT TAMPA BAY
07:13:16 BUSINESS PARK ON MLK.
07:13:17 THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE FROM MY HOUSE, BETWEEN MY HOUSE AND
07:13:19 WHERE I WORK, IS MY DAY CARE FOR MY KID.
07:13:26 I DO TRY TO LIVE AND WORK AND PLAY IN A VERY SMALL AREA
07:13:33 BECAUSE -- ALSO BECAUSE I AM A PLANNER, RIGHT.
07:13:35 IT MEANS A LOT TO ME TO HAVE A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I
07:13:41 CAN DO EVERYTHING RIGHT WHERE I AM.
07:13:43 MOST OF THE DAYS, I DON'T DRIVE, RIGHT.
07:13:46 I BIKE OR WALK TO WORK -- WALK MY KID TO DAY CARE.
07:13:50 WITH THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE, I THINK, FOUR POINTS AND A
07:13:57 BUNCH OF RANDOM STUFF I AM GOING TO PUT ON RECORD.
07:14:01 THE FIRST, MY MAIN COMPLAINT, IN GENERAL, ABOUT THE
07:14:06 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA IS THAT IT
07:14:09 IS SO BLANKETED.
07:14:10 AND THAT ECHOS A BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE HERE.
07:14:13 I DO AGREE THAT EAST AND WEST TAMPA ARE THE BEST PLACES TO
07:14:16 DIRECT GROWTH AND IMPROVEMENT -- AND IMPROVEMENTS.
07:14:19 AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF INHERENT INFRASTRUCTURE COST WHEN WE
07:14:24 ARE TALKING OF SOUTH AND NORTH TAMPA.
07:14:26 WE SHOULD ALL RECOGNIZE THAT.
07:14:27 NEXT THING, I THINK THE NUMBER OF TRCs CAN BE NARROWED TO
07:14:31 FOCUS ON CORRIDORS THAT HAVE TRANSIT BASED ON EXISTING ASSETS
07:14:37 TODAY.
07:14:37 IF WE SAY AIRPORT TOWARD ARMATURE WORKS TO RIVER WALK TO
07:14:44 WEST SHORE AND TO THE AIRPORT.
07:14:45 LET'S LINK ALL OF THIS TOGETHER AND CREATE ONE NICE LOOP,
07:14:48 AND IT WOULD BE AWESOME.
07:14:49 RIGHT.
07:14:50 LET'S SEE.
07:14:51 AND I AM LEAVING OUT NORTH TAMPA, BUT, OF COURSE, THEY ARE
07:14:56 VERY DEPENDENT FOR A LOT OF REASONS ON TRANSIT.
07:15:00 SO LET'S KEEP INVESTING IN TRANSIT, NORTH, SOUTH.
07:15:04 MOSTLY JUST FROM NORTH TO CENTRAL.
07:15:06 I LOVE WHAT BILL CARLSON SAID OF IDENTIFYING LOCATIONS FOR
07:15:12 NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
07:15:14 I DO REALLY WANT US TO DO THAT.
07:15:16 THAT IS REALLY RESOURCE INTENSIVE TO DO IT.
07:15:21 OTHERWISE, WE HAVE TO SUPPLEMENT THAT.
07:15:23 I WANT A MEETING FOCUSED SPECIFICALLY ON CREATING WHAT ARE
07:15:37 NEEDS.
07:15:39 I THINK THE TRANSPORTATION OBJECTIVES ARE BEING MET WITH
07:15:45 THIS COMP PLAN UPDATE SETTING UP A REALLY GOOD LDC DEBATE,
07:15:53 BUT I FEEL LIKE UKRAINE CALLING FOR SECURITY GUARANTEES,
07:15:56 RIGHT.
07:15:57 REALLY EXCITED FOR THAT LDC BATTLE WE ARE ABOUT TO GO
07:16:01 THROUGH.
07:16:01 OTHER STUFF.
07:16:02 A BUNCH OF GREAT PEOPLE AND GREAT MINDS HERE THAT HAVE SAID
07:16:06 THINGS THAT I REALLY AGREE WITH.
07:16:08 I AM EXCITED TO JOIN THEM.
07:16:10 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, JAMIE.
07:16:12 CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
07:16:13 SHE HAS GOT SOMETHING TO SAY.
07:16:16 >> I DO.
07:16:17 WHERE IS THE REMOTE FOR THE -- I HAVE A POWERPOINT
07:16:22 PRESENTATION, IF THEY CAN BRING THAT UP.
07:16:24 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LEAVE IT ON THE COUNTER.
07:16:28 >> A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.
07:16:30 IF YOU CAN BRING THAT UP.
07:16:33 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S COMING UP.
07:16:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MISS BENNETT HAS SEVEN NAMES.
07:16:41 PAULA PERRY.
07:16:43 IF YOU CAN RAISE YOUR HAND.
07:16:46 HI, THANK YOU.
07:16:47 JOSEPH FIC -- CLOSE ENOUGH.
07:16:51 THANK YOU.
07:16:52 LARRY McMAHON.
07:16:54 THANK YOU.
07:16:54 JIM McMAHON.
07:16:56 THANK YOU.
07:16:57 LEE TOREY.
07:17:02 THANK YOU.
07:17:02 SEVEN PLUS THREE EQUALS TEN.
07:17:08 TEN MINUTES PLEASE.
07:17:10 >> I CAN'T START UNTIL THEY BRING MY POWERPOINT UP.
07:17:13 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE SEE IT BUT IT HASN'T COME UP ON THE
07:17:17 SCREEN.
07:17:17 THERE WE GO.
07:17:18 >> ALL RIGHT, LET ME MAKE SURE THAT I -- ALL RIGHT.
07:17:21 HERE WE GO.
07:17:22 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START WITH YOUR NAME, AND YOU HAVE TEN
07:17:25 MINUTES.
07:17:26 >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
07:17:27 I AM A LIFE-LONG RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
07:17:30 WE KNOW THE CURRENT LAND USE MAP HAS THE CAPACITY FOR OUR
07:17:34 PROJECTED GROWTH.
07:17:40 WHAT WE NEED IS SPECIFIC SURGICAL, STRATEGIC, AND SMART
07:17:46 GROWTH.
07:17:46 THE CURRENT PROPOSAL DOES NOT DO THAT.
07:17:49 24 SO-CALLED TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS IS THE OPPOSITE OF
07:17:54 THAT.
07:17:55 IT PUTS GROWTH EVERYWHERE.
07:17:56 I AM A GARDENER.
07:17:58 I KNOW THAT FERTILIZER IS EXPENSIVE.
07:18:01 IF THE PLANTS IN ONE CORNER ARE GROWING LIKE GANGBUSTERS,
07:18:05 I DO NOT PUT FERTILIZER THERE THAT WOULD CAUSE EXCESSIVE
07:18:11 GROWTH TO STARVE OUT THE THRIVING PLANTS AND KILL SOMETHING
07:18:15 BEAUTIFUL.
07:18:16 I PUT MY RESOURCES THERE TO ENCOURAGE GROWTH SO MY WHOLE
07:18:19 GARDEN IS BEAUTIFUL, NOT JUST ONE CORNER.
07:18:21 THE CURRENT PLAN WILL DROWN SOME AREAS AND STARVE THE
07:18:27 STRUGGLING ONES.
07:18:28 WHAT WE NEED IS SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
07:18:30 ADD TO THE AREAS THAT NEED IT.
07:18:32 ADD DUPLEXES AND TOWN HOMES WHERE THEY ARE MOST BENEFICIAL.
07:18:36 ADD DESIGNATED NODES THAT USE THE FOUR Ss OF GROWTH.
07:18:41 TALK TO A SANDY SANCHEZ AND A CARLOS RAMIREZ OR CHARLIE
07:18:54 ADAMS OR A CONNIE BURTON.
07:18:56 THAT'S HOW YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT MAKES SENSE.
07:18:58 TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN FOREST HILLS, YBOR,
07:19:01 UNIVERSITY SQUARE AND DREW PARK.
07:19:03 THEY ARE THE EXPERTS.
07:19:05 LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE AND REDO IT.
07:19:09 BY '45 WE ARE PROJECTED TO HAVE 47,000 MORE PEOPLE, WHICH IS
07:19:21 32,000 MORE UNITS.
07:19:22 HERE IS AN ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE PROPOSAL TO GIVE A FREE
07:19:27 DENSITY BUMP TO SEVEN FLUs THAT WILL GREET 60,000 MORE
07:19:35 UNITS.
07:19:35 TO MAKE IT WORSE, IT IS NOT EVEN TARGETED.
07:19:38 IT IS SPREAD EVENLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
07:19:40 THE IDEA WAS TO TAKE AWAY THE ABILITY TO BONUS IN THE CHHA
07:19:44 AND GIVE THIS INCREASE IN ORDER TO BALANCE OUT THAT LOSS.
07:19:47 THE PROBLEM IS THE MATH.
07:19:49 ONLY 2900 UNITS ARE LOST, BUT 46,000 UNITS ARE GAINED.
07:19:54 THAT DOES NOT BALANCE THE SCALES.
07:19:57 IT CAUSES THEM TO TOPPLE OVER AND FALL TO THE GROUND.
07:19:59 IN 2023, 511,000 PEOPLE MOVED OUT OF FLORIDA.
07:20:04 THE NET MIGRATION DROPPED 50%.
07:20:07 THE FIRST MAJOR DROP IN A DECADE.
07:20:09 THE 2024-'25 NET MIGRATION MAY BE EVEN LOWER DUE TO THE
07:20:16 DEVASTATING STORM SEASON AND HEAT.
07:20:19 POPULATION PROJECTIONS COULD CHANGE.
07:20:21 MAYBE WE SHOULD SLOW DOWN.
07:20:23 THERE IS ALSO AS PROPOSAL TO MASSIVELY INCREASE F.A.R. ON
07:20:28 TOP OF THIS.
07:20:29 THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE FLU CATEGORIES, UMU-60, UP TO .106
07:20:38 F.A.R.
07:20:39 WHAT DID 4.0 F.A.R. LOOKED LIKE BUILT IN CHANNELSIDE WITH A
07:20:46 4.0 F.A.R.
07:20:46 DO YOU KNOW WHERE ALL THE UMU PARCELS ARE LOCATED IN THE
07:20:51 CITY?
07:20:52 HERE ARE JUST THE ONES AT DALE MABRY AND GANDY.
07:20:54 THE ONES ON THE WEST ARE IN THE CHHA, AND THEY WOULDN'T BE
07:20:59 ELIGIBLE FOR THIS, BUT THE OTHERS ARE.
07:21:00 YOU CAN'T APPROVE SOMETHING UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT THE
07:21:02 CONSEQUENCES ARE.
07:21:03 SAME THING GOES FOR THE SIZES OF OUR LOW- AND MID-RISE LAND
07:21:09 USE CATEGORIES WITH LOW OR IMMEDIATE DENSITIES.
07:21:11 PDs ARE USED AS LOOPHOLE TO CIRCUMVENT THE CURRENT PROCESS.
07:21:17 TO ASK FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT FOR A HIGHER LAND USE, A F.L.U.,
07:21:23 IF THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO DEVELOP A HIGH-RISE PROPERTY ON A
07:21:26 PROPERTY THAT DOESN'T ALLOW IT.
07:21:28 BUY A LOW- OR MID-RISED PROPERTY, THEY SHOULD HAVE TO GET A
07:21:32 PLANNED AMENDMENT TO BUILD A HIGH-RISE.
07:21:34 THIS LOOPHOLE IS FORCING NEIGHBORHOODS TO WAGE STRESSFUL AND
07:21:43 EXHAUSTING BATTLES FOR 100-FOOT BUILDINGS.
07:21:46 THIS THREATENS OUR SAFETY.
07:21:48 THE FIRE DEPARTMENT RESPONSE STANDARDS ARE DIFFERENT FOR
07:21:51 HIGH-RISES.
07:21:51 AT A CITY COUNCIL HEARING, WE WERE TOLD THAT THE RESPONSE
07:21:55 STANDARD FOR A SINGLE ALARM AT A HIGH-RISE WITH NO SMOKER
07:21:59 FIRE.
07:22:01 THEY GAVE THE EXAMPLE OF BURNT TOAST IS 43 FIRE FIGHTING
07:22:06 PERSONNEL.
07:22:07 THAT REQUIRES ALL OF THE EIGHT STATIONS YOU SEE CROSSED OUT
07:22:10 IN BLUE.
07:22:11 IF IT INCREASES TO A SECOND ALARM, IT REQUIRES 80 PERSONNEL,
07:22:16 WHICH WOULD REQUIRE ALL 14 OF THE CROSSED-OUT STATIONS.
07:22:19 IF ANY OF THEM ARE ON A CALL, A STATION FARTHER AWAY MUST
07:22:24 RESPOND IN THEIR PLACE.
07:22:25 ALL THOSE CROSSED-OUT STATIONS BECOME UNAVAILABLE FOR OTHER
07:22:30 CALLS.
07:22:30 THAT COULD COST SOMEONE THEIR LIFE.
07:22:32 THE RESPONSE TIME STANDARD FOR A SINGLE ALARM AT A HIGH-RISE
07:22:38 IS TEN MINUTES, TEN SECONDS.
07:22:40 ONLY THE PURPLE AREAS ON THIS MAP CAN MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
07:22:43 ALL OF THE GRAY AREAS CANNOT MEET THE REQUIREMENT.
07:22:47 FOR THIS REASON ALONE, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD A HIGH-RISE
07:22:51 IN A MID-RISED F.L.U., THEY SHOULD FOLLOW PROPER PROCEDURES AND
07:22:56 GET A PLAN AMENDMENT.
07:22:57 THIS IS FROM THE MAYOR'S RECENT STORMWATER MEETINGS.
07:23:02 THEY SPECIFICALLY HIGHLIGHTED THE SOUTH TAMPA PENINSULA.
07:23:07 THEY CAME RIGHT OUT AND SAID THEY CANNOT PREVENT FLOODING IN
07:23:11 IT.
07:23:11 THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE.
07:23:14 THIS ISN'T A LIFESTYLE CHOICE.
07:23:16 SOUTH TAMPA IS DIFFERENT.
07:23:20 ITS RESIDENTS LIVE ON A DEAD END WITH ONLY ONE WAY TO
07:23:25 EVACUATE THE PENINSULA AND A LACK OF INVESTMENT, THE PARKS
07:23:29 AND ROADS ARE FALLING APART WHILE STREETS AND HOUSES ARE
07:23:32 FLOODING.
07:23:32 THE ROADS AND SCHOOLS HAVE ALSO STRETCHED BEYOND CAPACITY.
07:23:36 SOUTH TAMPA HAD THE HIGHEST OR SECOND HIGHEST GROWTH RATE IN
07:23:42 THE CITY FROM 2010 TO 2020 AT 14%.
07:23:44 THAT HAS PUSHED OUT MIDDLE AND LOWER INCOME RESIDENTS AS
07:23:51 AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED TO MAKE ROOM FOR
07:23:55 McMANSIONS.
07:23:56 IF THE CURRENT COMP PLAN IS NOT CHANGED -- GOT SOMETHING
07:24:05 BACKWARDS HERE.
07:24:06 THERE WE GO.
07:24:06 IF THE CURRENT COMP PLAN IS NOT CHANGED, IF YOU LEAVE
07:24:10 EVERYTHING THE SAME, SOUTH TAMPA IS EXPECTED TO HAVE THE
07:24:12 HIGHEST RATE OF GROWTH IN THE CITY THROUGH 2050.
07:24:15 WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR A DECREASE IN DENSITY LIMITS.
07:24:18 WE ARE JUST ASKING YOU TO LEAVE IT THE SAME.
07:24:21 WHICH, AS YOU CAN SEE, WILL PRODUCE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE
07:24:24 IN DENSITY IN SOUTH TAMPA THE LANGUAGE IN THE YELLOW BOX,
07:24:29 WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO PROTECT LIVES IS PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED
07:24:33 FROM THE COMP PLAN.
07:24:34 PLEASE KEEP THIS LANGUAGE IN THE COMP PLAN.
07:24:37 THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT SAYS ALL OF SOUTH TAMPA'S OUTFALLS
07:24:45 ARE AT FULL CAPACITY.
07:24:46 THE TREMENDOUS REDUCTION OF PERMEABLE SURFACE, EXCESSIVE
07:24:51 BUILDING IN SOUTH TAMPA HAS INCREASED STORMWATER FLOODING.
07:24:54 IN ADDITION AS OF 2021, TAMPA HAS LOST 3300 ACRES OF TREE
07:25:01 CANOPY.
07:25:02 I AM SURE IT IS A LOT MORE NOW.
07:25:05 TREES CAPTURE AND HOLD WATER SO IT NEVER REACHES THE GROUND.
07:25:08 EVEN AFTER THE TREES ARE SATURATED, THEY MITIGATE FLOODING
07:25:12 AND SLOW THE WATER DOWN GIVING DRAINAGE SYSTEMS MORE TIME TO
07:25:16 HANDLE THE DELUGE.
07:25:17 FLOODING THAT THEY EXPERIENCED LAST YEAR WOULD BE
07:25:20 SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE WITHOUT THE STORMWATER MITIGATION THAT
07:25:23 THE TREES PROVIDED.
07:25:24 SOUTH TAMPA HAS LOST MORE TREES THAN ANY OTHER PART OF THE
07:25:27 CITY LARGELY DUE TO GROWTH.
07:25:28 I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE DELETE LU POLICY 7.1.4, WHICH ALLOWS
07:25:35 AN INCREASE OF DENSITY LIMITS IN THE CHHA.
07:25:39 THE MOST IRRESPONSIBLE THING YOU CAN DO IS INCREASE DENSITY
07:25:44 UNITS IN THE CHHA.
07:25:45 PLEASE APPROVE POLICY 7.1.2, SAYING PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT
07:25:51 INCREASE RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES IN THE CHHA ARE PRO LIBERTY
07:25:55 AND SHALL NOT BE ACCEPTED.
07:25:57 PLEASE GET RID OF THE RATTLESNAKE POINT EXCEPTION A LEFTOVER
07:26:01 FROM 20 YEARS AGO.
07:26:02 THAT IS JUST NUTS.
07:26:03 HERE IS A MAP OF WHERE NOT TO INCREASE DENSITY LIMITS.
07:26:11 EVERY PERSON YOU ADD TO THAT CIRCLE IS ANOTHER PERSON ON THE
07:26:15 ROAD TRYING TO EVACUATE.
07:26:16 ONE THING THAT PEOPLE WHO NEVER HAVE BEEN FORCED TO EVACUATE
07:26:21 DON'T REALIZE THAT YOU CAN'T GO TO WORK WHEN YOU EVACUATE.
07:26:24 SO IN ADDITION TO THE EXPENSE OF EVACUATION, MOST PEOPLE IN
07:26:29 THAT CIRCLE WON'T GET PAID.
07:26:31 REALLY SHOULD WE PUT MORE PEOPLE IN THE CIRCLE?
07:26:34 OR INSTEAD SHOULD WE INCREASE DENSITY WHERE PEOPLE CAN
07:26:37 SHELTER IN PLACE.
07:26:38 AND I WANT TO REMIND YOU, SOUTH TAMPA IS GOING TO GROW NO
07:26:43 MATTER WHAT.
07:26:44 IF YOU LEAVE EVERYTHING THE SAME, IT IS GOING TO GROW.
07:26:47 WE NEED TO RETHINK THE SOUTH TAMPA STRATEGY AND NEED TO BE
07:26:51 BASED ON INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST.
07:26:53 I HAVE A LIST OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN THIS UPDATE.
07:26:56 I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER IT SERIOUSLY.
07:26:58 THANK YOU.
07:26:59 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MISS BENNETT.
07:27:01 TAURA BLUMA FOLLOWED BY MALIK ABDULLAH.
07:27:07 GOOD EVENING.
07:27:15 START WITH YOUR NAME.
07:27:16 >> GOOD EVENING, TAURA BLUMA.
07:27:19 SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS NEXT.
07:27:21 I AM GOING TO TRY TO BE VERY SPECIFIC FOR YOU.
07:27:25 LU POLICY 2.2.3 --
07:27:28 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START WITH YOUR NAME.
07:27:29 >> I SAID TAURA BLUMA.
07:27:33 MAY I PROCEED?
07:27:36 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GO AHEAD.
07:27:41 >> GOOD EVENING, I AM TAURA BLUMA, LU POLICY 2.2.3,
07:27:47 REDEVELOPMENT ALONG MULTIMODAL CORRIDORS SHALL FOSTER A
07:27:52 BUILT ENVIRONMENT THAT ENCOURAGES VARIOUS MODES OF
07:27:54 TRANSPORTATION AND CONNECTIONS.
07:27:55 THIS IS VERY VAGUE.
07:27:57 WHERE THIS IS MOST LIKELY GOING TO HAPPEN IS IN ESTABLISHED
07:28:02 AIR GRASS WITH ABUTTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
07:28:06 CAN WE ADD ANY WORDS OF ANY INFILL DEVELOPMENT MUST KEEP THE
07:28:12 CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD IN HEIGHT, SCALE
07:28:14 AND MASS?
07:28:15 LU TABLE 3.
07:28:17 I THINK WE SHOULD ELIMINATE THE BY RIGHT DENSITY INCREASES
07:28:21 IN THE SEVEN F.L.U.s LISTED.
07:28:25 LU POLICY 3.1.17.
07:28:29 ABSOLUTELY DO NOT CHANGE R-50 TO HIGH-RISE HIGH-DENSITY F.L.U.s.
07:28:37 UNDER THE 2040 COMP PLAN IS CURRENTLY MIDDLE DENSITY
07:28:43 AND MID-RISE SMALL LOT SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS.
07:28:46 IT SHOULD REMAIN THAT WAY.
07:28:47 LU POLICY 7.1.4, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
07:28:53 CORRIDORS.
07:29:02 I E-MAILED ABOUT A FEW SPEAKERS AGO ABOUT WE ALL KNOW THE
07:29:12 CONSTRAINTS ON THE BUDGET AND THE LIMITED TRANSPORTATION AND
07:29:17 TRANSIT DOLLARS THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH IN THE CITY.
07:29:20 THE LASER FOCUS IS TO FUNNEL THOSE DOLLARS TO THE AREAS WHERE
07:29:28 YOU CAN MAKE THE MOST IMPACT.
07:29:29 IF IN FIVE OR TEN YEARS, YOU FOUND A LOT OF SUCCESS WITH THE
07:29:35 REGIONAL TRANSIT CORRIDORS, GREAT.
07:29:37 YOU CAN ALWAYS ADD MORE, BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO
07:29:40 CLAW BACK DENSITY BONUSES AND BY RIGHT DENSITY ONCE YOU GIVE
07:29:45 IT AWAY.
07:29:46 IT IS GOING TO BECOME A PROPERTY RIGHT.
07:29:48 R-10 DESIGNATION.
07:29:55 I WOULD ECHO WHAT PAULA MACKLEY SAID TO REMOVE MULTIFAMILY
07:30:03 FROM THAT DESIGNATION.
07:30:04 I ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO USE THIS REVISION PROCESS TO REMOVE
07:30:11 ALL PD LOOPHOLES THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN TAKING ADVANTAGE
07:30:15 OF.
07:30:15 REQUIRE PEOPLE TO ASK FOR PLAN AMENDMENTS.
07:30:19 THEY HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH WAY TOO MANY OUTRAGEOUS PROJECTS
07:30:24 RECENTLY BY UTILIZING PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS.
07:30:26 AND THAT IS REALLY IN BLATANT VIOLATION OF YOUR INTENT AND
07:30:31 YOUR RULES.
07:30:32 THANK YOU.
07:30:32 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:30:34 MALIK ABDULLAH FOLLOWED BY -- OH, GOSH, YOU GUYS -- CARLOS
07:30:42 RAMIREZ.
07:30:43 YOU ARE GOING TO START ME WRITING BETTER BECAUSE I AM
07:30:47 TERRIBLE.
07:30:47 THAT'S WHY I LOOK AT YOU.
07:30:51 MALIK IS NOT HERE?
07:30:54 GOING ONCE -- GOING TWICE?
07:30:56 OKAY.
07:30:56 SO WE HAVE GOT CARLOS AND MICHELLE -- I NEVER -- I AM NEVER
07:31:03 GOING TO MASTER YOUR LAST NAME.
07:31:06 I KNOW YOU WELL, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR NAME.
07:31:09 CARLOS.
07:31:11 SENOR.
07:31:13 >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, CARLOS RAMIREZ, NORTH HYDE PARK.
07:31:18 I JUST WANTED TO COME TODAY -- I WAS ON MY WAY HERE THIS
07:31:22 MORNING -- I MEAN, THIS AFTERNOON, PICKING UP MY SON FROM
07:31:26 WILSON, AND I STOOD IN TRAFFIC FOR 30 MINUTES LEAVING MY
07:31:30 NEIGHBORHOOD.
07:31:30 THAT IS FIVE BLOCKS TO LEAVE MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND TOOK ME 30
07:31:34 MINUTES TO GET TO KENNEDY.
07:31:36 NORTH HYDE PARK IS AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD, PLATTED IN 1895 IN
07:31:41 WEST TAMPA, PART OF ONE OF THE ORIGINAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN
07:31:44 WEST TAMPA.
07:31:49 THERE IS SLUM AND BLIGHT, WHICH IS WHY WE ARE IN THE CRA,
07:31:55 THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY.
07:31:56 ALL TO KEEP THE CHARACTER WEST TAMPA WEST TAMPA.
07:32:00 OF NORTH HYDE PARK FOR DEVELOPMENT.
07:32:03 WE HAVE APARTMENTS, AND WE HAVE TOWN HOMES.
07:32:05 WE HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY SEMI-DETACHED, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT
07:32:11 EVERYBODY WANTS.
07:32:12 BUT ALL THAT IS AT THE EXPENSE OF LOSING OUR SINGLE-FAMILY
07:32:17 HOMES.
07:32:18 SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A SMALL SLIVER OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES
07:32:21 WE ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE AND SAVE.
07:32:23 WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR MUCH.
07:32:25 WE ARE JUST ASKING IN THAT CONTEXT-SENSITIVE NEIGHBORHOOD
07:32:30 THAT WE HAVE -- AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THIS, THE
07:32:35 ORANGE IS THE BORDE
07:32:36 THE YELLOW IS EVERY KIND OF MULTIFAMILY, MULTIUSE
07:32:43 RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AS WELL.
07:32:45 WHAT IS NOT HIGHLIGHTED IS WHAT IS LEFT OF SINGLE-FAMILY.
07:32:49 SO THAT IS FOUR WHOLE BLOCKS THAT ARE SINGLE-FAMILY AND THE
07:32:54 REST OF THEM.
07:32:58 WITH THIS NEW PLAN AMENDMENT, WHAT WE HAVE IS TRANSIT-READY
07:33:02 CORRIDORS ON ARMENIA, HOWARD, KENNEDY, CYPRESS, AND ROME.
07:33:07 THIS IS GOING TO EAT UP ALL OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
07:33:11 NOT JUST OURS.
07:33:12 WE ARE NOT THE ONLY CONTEXT-SENSITIVE NEIGHBORHOOD IN WEST
07:33:16 TAMPA.
07:33:16 WE HAVE WEST RIVERFRONT AND OLD WEST TAMPA, MIDTOWN, AND ARMORY
07:33:22 GARDENS.
07:33:22 ALL THESE DIFFERENT PLACES.
07:33:25 TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS KIND OF CROSS EACH OTHER AND START
07:33:28 GOING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
07:33:34 WE AGREE THIS SHOULD BE A NEIGHBORHOOD-BY-NEIGHBORHOOD
07:33:37 ACTION, AND I THINK A LOT MORE CONVERSATIONS TO IT CAN BE HAD
07:33:40 WITH THE FOLKS FROM PLANNING AND THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT
07:33:43 WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT APPROACH.
07:33:45 AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THIS IS A ONE-WAY ESCALATOR, ONCE WE FIGURE
07:33:52 WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT SOLUTIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
07:33:55 THANK YOU.
07:33:56 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, CARLOS.
07:33:57 MICHELLE M.
07:34:01 >>BILL CARLSON: GUIDO DOES A GOOD JOB OF SAYING HER NAME.
07:34:06 CAN YOU SAY IT AGAIN.
07:34:07 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SAY IT TO ME.
07:34:18 >> MASTROTOTARO.
07:34:23 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MASTROTOTARO.
07:34:29 >> ARE YOU TAKING MINUTES AWAY?
07:34:31 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY, PROMISE.
07:34:35 SAY YOUR NAME AND THEN YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
07:34:36 >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
07:34:39 MY NAME IS MICHELLE MASTROTOTARO.
07:34:43 I COME TO YOU TODAY TO ASK PLEASE NO MORE DENSITY IN SOUTH
07:34:47 OF GANDY.
07:34:48 IT IS BECOMING TERRIBLE.
07:34:50 EVACUATION, THE OVERBUILDING, THE HISTORICAL IS GETTING
07:34:55 RUINED BY OVERDEVELOPING.
07:34:57 THEY BLOCKED THREE -- I THOUGHT IT WAS TWO, BUT THEY
07:35:01 ACTUALLY BLOCKED THREE CHAMBERS IN THOSE APARTMENTS NEXT
07:35:05 DOOR TO ME.
07:35:06 IT IS NOT FAIR.
07:35:07 AND THEY OBTAINED IT.
07:35:09 AND GUESS WHAT THEY DO NOW?
07:35:12 X WHEN IT WAS AN AE ZONE.
07:35:15 MAKE IT MAKE SENSE HOW THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THAT AND DISRUPT
07:35:20 THE HISTORICAL AREA THAT -- THE ROAD IS HISTORICAL.
07:35:24 IT IS GETTING DESTROYED.
07:35:25 THE MANGROVES -- 23 ACRES OF MANGROVES WERE UPROOTED AND
07:35:31 THAT IS SUPPOSED TO HELP THE ECOSYSTEM AND HELP.
07:35:34 THAT IS WHAT ABSORBS MOST OF WATER.
07:35:36 AND WE ARE JUST RUINING EVERYTHING THERE.
07:35:38 AND I MEAN, THEY ARE BUILDING SIDEWAYS.
07:35:44 THEY ARE BUILDING -- THEY ARE JUST MAKING MOST APARTMENTS AS
07:35:50 THEY CAN WITHOUT EVEN THINKING OF THE FUTURE, AND THEY
07:36:00 SAID THE APARTMENTS THEY ADVISED WERE A BAD IDEA TO DO, AND
07:36:03 THEY DIDN'T LISTEN TO THEM, AND THEY DIDN'T FORESEE THE
07:36:07 FUTURE OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN OUR AREA.
07:36:09 AND I JUST ASK IF YOU GUYS CAN DILIGENTLY WORK TOGETHER AND
07:36:15 NOT BEING BUILDING SOUTH OF GANDY AND KNOW THAT THE FUTURE
07:36:21 -- I DON'T WANT TO BE A KATRINA -- IF YOU GUYS WATCHED THE
07:36:25 DOCUMENTARY, "KATRINA, HELL OVER HIGH WATERS," AN EYE-OPENER
07:36:28 OF WHAT IS GOING ON AND MAY HAPPEN TO US.
07:36:32 AND, YOU KNOW, TODAY IS MY SON'S BIRTHDAY.
07:36:35 AND I SAID I AM GOING OUT WITH A BANG FOR MY SON.
07:36:38 HOPEFULLY HE BEATS CANCER, GOD, YOU KNOW.
07:36:42 BUT, YOU KNOW WHAT, I CAME OUT AS AN ADVOCATE IN MY AREA, MY
07:36:48 NEIGHBORS, MY FAMILY, MY HOME, AND I REALLY, TRULY THANK
07:36:53 EVERYONE FOR LISTENING TO ME, AND YOU GUYS, THANK YOU.
07:36:56 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT IS IT YOUR SON'S NAME?
07:36:59 >> BRYCE.
07:37:02 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BRYCE.
07:37:04 >> HE IS 17.
07:37:07 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TATIANA MORALES AND ROBIN LOCKETT.
07:37:14>> HELLO, TATIANA MORALES.
07:37:20 I WANT TO START THAT I AM A TAMPA RESIDENT.
07:37:23 I HAVE BEEN A TAMPA RESIDENT FOR 11 YEARS.
07:37:25 I AM ONE OF THE PEOPLE PART OF THE CITY GROWING.
07:37:27 I MOVED FROM A MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE CITY, MIAMI HERE BECAUSE,
07:37:31 AT THE TIME, IT MORE AFFORDABLE OPTIONS TO COME HERE.
07:37:35 I WANT TO EMPHASIZE WE STILL HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS.
07:37:38 MANY NEIGHBORS ALL OVER THE CITY THAT ARE BEING DISPLACED
07:37:41 CONSTANTLY BECAUSE OF DECISIONS WE MAKE OF THE LAND USE AND
07:37:44 WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE.
07:37:45 AND I REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE RENTERS, THE PEOPLE
07:37:48 THAT ARE WORKING-CLASS, THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T HERE, THE
07:37:50 PEOPLE WHO ARE BLACK AND BROWN, PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE TIME
07:37:53 TO COME HERE ON A THURSDAY NIGHT STILL HAVE A VOICE AND
07:37:56 STILL SHOULD BE CARRIED IN THIS PROCESS BECAUSE I THINK THE
07:37:59 PLANNING COMMISSION DID A VERY EXCELLENT JOB IN DOING THEIR
07:38:02 BEST TO EXPAND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
07:38:04 DID THEY TALK TO RENTERS?
07:38:06 OR TARGET LOW-INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS?
07:38:13 I THINK MORE CAN BE DONE.
07:38:14 DELAY UNTIL DISTRICT 5 REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE.
07:38:17 IT IS OBVIOUS AND YOU HEARD THE CONCERNS FROM DISTRICT 5 AND
07:38:20 THEIR DEMANDS.
07:38:21 THEY WANT TO GROW.
07:38:23 THEY WANT A DIFFERENT VISION FOR THE FUTURE SOUTH TAMPA
07:38:28 KNOWING THAT THE CITY MAY WANT TO GROW AND GROW IN A
07:38:30 DIFFERENT DIRECTION, AND THAT WE SHOULD DELAY AND HEAR FROM
07:38:33 THAT REPRESENTATIVE AND ADJUST OUR PLANS ADEQUATELY.
07:38:36 I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE SHOULDN'T CREATE AN ARBITRARY
07:38:41 SOUTH TAMPA, AND EMPHASIZE THAT ORLANDO GOT THEIR COMPREHENSIVE
07:38:45 PLAN PROTECTED BY THE STATE AND CREATE AN ARBITRARY LINE IN
07:38:50 KENNEDY.
07:38:50 WE HAD A REAL LINE OF SAYING NO TO THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD.
07:38:54 A SCIENTIFIC APPROACH.
07:38:55 KENNEDY IS A LOOSE TARGET, AND I LIVE ON KENNEDY AND FACING
07:39:00 NORTH HYDE PARK, AN ARBITRARY LINE WE ARE DRAWING FOR IT TO
07:39:05 GET REJECTED.
07:39:06 WHEN WE SAY NO TOWN HOMES AND NO MISSING MIDDLE NOT HERE,
07:39:11 AND ACTUALLY NOT HERE AND WE TRY TO DEFINE IT SOMEWHERE
07:39:14 ELSE, AND IF WE TAKE AWAY THE OPTIONS THAT I DON'T WANT TOWN
07:39:18 HOMES, MORE AFFORDABLE OPTIONS FOR YOUR CHILDREN, YOUR
07:39:20 CHIDREN'S FRIENDS, PEOPLE WE FALL IN LOVE WITH, PEOPLE THAT
07:39:23 NEED TO WORK.
07:39:23 WESTSHORE ALLIANCE.
07:39:25 HOW ARE PEOPLE GOING TO WORK IN WEST SHORE?
07:39:27 THEY CAN'T LIVE NEARBY?
07:39:29 WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
07:39:31 I WANT TO TALK OF ELIMINATING THE ROUNDING UP.
07:39:33 WE HAVE TO DO BETTER WITH THE ROUNDING UP.
07:39:35 IF SOMEBODY HAS .8.
07:39:37 SHOULD ROUND UP TO ONE UNIT OR THE NEXT UNITS.
07:39:41 HOW WE GET THE SMALL UNITS ON THE BIG LOTS AND McMANSIONS
07:39:45 THAT PRICE OUT THE ORIGINAL NEIGHBORS AND KIDS THAT WANT TO
07:39:48 SETTLE THERE.
07:39:48 REDUCING TOWN HOME CORRIDORS TO A ONE-BLOCK SLIVER IS NOT
07:39:53 PLANNING, IT IS A BAN.
07:39:54 AND WE NEED TO EMPHASIZE THAT AS A RENTER, IF YOU TAKE AWAY
07:39:57 THE OPTIONS LIKE DENSITY BONUSES, THE COMMUNITY WASN'T
07:40:00 COMMUNICATED WITH THE FACT WE ARE HAVING LESS DENSITY
07:40:03 BONUSES, LESS OPTIONS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
07:40:05 WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY IN THE CITY BUDGET OR CRA BUDGET FOR
07:40:10 FUNDING AND THE MARKET LEVEL WHERE DEVELOPERS WANT TO GIVE
07:40:15 AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND TAKE IT AWAY FROM THE HALF OF THE
07:40:18 CITY, YOU ARE TELLING THEM THAT THE WORKING-CLASS OF THE
07:40:21 PEOPLE DON'T MATTER.
07:40:22 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, TATYANA.
07:40:28 WE HAVE ROBIN LOCKETT AND POYNER.
07:40:34 START WITH YOUR NAME,AND WE WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
07:40:36 >> HELLO, COUNCIL.
07:40:37 ROBIN LOCKETT.
07:40:42 TATYANA SAID EVERYTHING I WANTED TO SAY.
07:40:45 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT.
07:40:47 >> BUT I WANT TO MAKE A POINT.
07:40:49 I AGREE WITHHOLDING THE VOTE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
07:40:52 WITH ALL THE NOTES THAT PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS TAKEN, A LOT
07:40:57 OF STUFF HAS TO BE RELOOKED AT, I AM ASSUMING.
07:41:00 MOST OF ALL BECAUSE OF DISTRICT 5.
07:41:04 DISTRICT 5 DOES NOT HAVE A VOICE IN THIS MATTER RIGHT NOW.
07:41:07 WHEN THAT PERSON -- WHEN SHE IS CHOSEN, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
07:41:13 SHE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THE INFORMATION
07:41:18 AND MAKE SUGGESTIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS, RIGHT.
07:41:21 THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
07:41:23 AND ALSO, TO THE CANDIDATES THAT ARE RUNNING.
07:41:29 PAY ATTENTION TO THIS COMP PLAN.
07:41:31 WHOEVER WINS, YOU HAVE TO COME AND YOU HAVE TO BE READY TO
07:41:35 MAKE SUGGESTIONS.
07:41:35 MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
07:41:36 DON'T GET READY WHEN YOU WIN.
07:41:39 BE READY TO WIN.
07:41:42 BUT YOU HAVE TO BE READY.
07:41:43 SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT DON'T MAKE A DECISION UNTIL THAT
07:41:50 SEAT IS FILLED BECAUSE DISTRICT 5 DOES NEED A VOICE.
07:41:53 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, ROBIN.
07:41:55 POYNOR FOLLOWED BY KRAMER, ANOTHER ONE-NAME PERSON.
07:42:13 NO FIRST NAME ON THE SIGN-IN SHEET.
07:42:19 WE WILL GET TO IT WHEN WE GET THERE.
07:42:21 STATE YOUR NAME.
07:42:24 YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM?
07:42:26 >> I AM WAITING -- Y'ALL NEED THE PAPERWORK.
07:42:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ALL THE SAME?
07:42:32 >> THEY ARE ALL THE SAME.
07:42:33 30 PAGES EACH.
07:42:34 I GOT THEM DOWN TO A SMALLER FONT.
07:42:37 THAT IS THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
07:42:40 I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAD A COPY.
07:42:43 >>LYNN HURTAK: AN EXTRA COPY, YOU CAN GIVE IT TO THE
07:42:47 PLANNING COMMISSION.
07:42:47 >> THERE ARE TEN COPIES TOTAL.
07:42:50 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS BETTER BE GOOD.
07:42:59 YOU ARE MAKING US WAIT.
07:43:00 IT IS ANTICIPATION.
07:43:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DO HAVE SEVEN NAMES.
07:43:05 GLAZER.
07:43:09 RAISE YOUR HAND OR SAY HELLO.
07:43:12 HI.
07:43:13 PAM CANELLA.
07:43:15 O'BRIEN IS THE LAST NAME.
07:43:20 BOBBY.
07:43:21 THAT'S WHAT THAT SAYS.
07:43:22 VIRGINIA SMITH.
07:43:23 THANK YOU.
07:43:24 WEATHERLY BENTLEY.
07:43:27 ARE YOU -- OVER THERE.
07:43:28 OKAY.
07:43:29 LINDY ELLETT.
07:43:36 NO?
07:43:38 OKAY.
07:43:38 AND JOANNE McNABB.
07:43:41 YOU DIDN'T GIVE YOUR NAME PREVIOUSLY, DID YOU?
07:43:46 OKAY.
07:43:46 THAT IS A TOTAL OF SIX NAMES FOR NINE MINUTES.
07:43:53 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START WITH YOUR NAME, AND YOU HAVE NINE
07:43:56 MINUTES.
07:43:56 >> GOOD EVENING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
07:43:59 I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT ON THE VERY FIRST PARAGRAPH OF
07:44:02 THIS PLAN, URBAN DESIGN VERSUS TAMPA'S UNIQUE CHARACTER.
07:44:05 I AM GOING TO SHOW YOU ISSUES WITH THAT.
07:44:08 IT IS NOT GOING TOGETHER VERY WELL AT THIS POINT.
07:44:11 LAND USE 1.1 IS ALL ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
07:44:15 AND HOW THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ENGULFED IN
07:44:18 THIS PROCESS.
07:44:19 I THINK WE HAVE SEEN TONIGHT THAT THERE ARE SOME
07:44:21 NEIGHBORHOOD WHO HAVE BEEN LEFT OUT OF THE PROCESS.
07:44:23 AND WE ARE GETTING BETTER.
07:44:25 WE ARE GETTING THERE.
07:44:26 LAND USE 2.1, THE BONUS AGREEMENTS SHOULD BE APPROVED BY
07:44:31 COUNCIL.
07:44:31 IT NEEDS TO SAY IN THERE "BY COUNCIL."
07:44:35 DON'T GIVE AWAY YOUR POWER.
07:44:37 THERE IS A REASON YOU HAVE IT.
07:44:38 DON'T GIVE AWAY YOUR POWER.
07:44:40 YOU GUYS MAKE EVERY DECISION IN FRONT OF AT LEAST TWO
07:44:43 ATTORNEYS.
07:44:44 I WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
07:44:45 WHEN YOU GO BACK BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, WE DON'T GET ANYTHING
07:44:48 DONE OR IT GETS DONE.
07:44:49 TRC.
07:44:50 LET'S TALK OF BEING CONSERVATIVE.
07:44:52 I PUT THIS UP HERE JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY.
07:44:55 THIS TRC MAP, DALE MABRY, EVERYTHING SOUTH OF KENNEDY.
07:44:59 WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS SOUTH OF KENNEDY IT IS AN ARBITRARY
07:45:03 LINE.
07:45:03 NO SIRS, NO MA'AMS, IT IS NOT.
07:45:06 AND ALSO ADDRESSED BY THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
07:45:09 BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE OUR LAND LEVELS START GOING DOWN.
07:45:12 AND THEY KEEP GOING DOWN.
07:45:14 CARROLL ANN SHOWED YOU A BEAUTIFUL MAP, AND SOUTH TAMPA IS
07:45:20 LOWER THAN REST THE CITY.
07:45:21 THREE DISTRICTS BY THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
07:45:23 NORTH OF 275, KENNEDY TO S.O.G. AND THEN SOUTH.
07:45:28 OUR WATER PRESSURE WILL BE THROUGH THE ROOF IF WE HAD THE
07:45:31 SAME WATER PRESSURE IN NORTH TAMPA OR NEW TAMPA OR SEMINOLE
07:45:38 HEIGHTS.
07:45:38 KEEP IN MIND.
07:45:40 REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTERS DO NOT BELONG IN OUR COMMUNITY.
07:45:43 WE ARE OKAY WITH LEAVING EVERYTHING JUST LIKE IT IS.
07:45:46 I WOULD ASSUME WE GET RID OF THIS COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
07:45:50 INCREASES, OF COURSE.
07:45:51 DELETE TABLE NUMBER 3 OUT OF YOUR PACKET, PLEASE.
07:45:55 AND IT IS FUNNY, BECAUSE IN THE ORIGINAL -- THIS IS THE
07:45:59 FEBRUARY 2025 DRAFT WE RECEIVED.
07:46:01 AND I WENT BACK, AND I KIND OF PULLED SOME OF THESE THINGS,
07:46:05 OUT BECAUSE I NOTICED I HAD WRITTEN NOTES ON THEM.
07:46:07 BUT IT DIDN'T SAY -- THERE WAS NO ARBITRARY DATE FOR THE
07:46:12 LAST COASTAL HIGH HAZARD.
07:46:13 IT WASN'T THERE IN FEBRUARY.
07:46:18 IT WASN'T THERE BEFORE IT HEADED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
07:46:21 WE IN A LOT OF DISCUSSION OF THE MISSING MIDDLE.
07:46:24 MISSING MIDDLE IN FEBRUARY WAS IN THIS PLAN.
07:46:26 DO A KEYWORD SEARCH.
07:46:28 NO MENTION OF MISSING MIDDLE IN THE PLAN ANY LONGER?
07:46:33 WHY?
07:46:34 I DON'T KNOW.
07:46:34 I NOTICE IT WAS GONE.
07:46:37 I WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING THAT IS VERY, VERY
07:46:39 INTERESTING.
07:46:40 THIS IS WHY TOWN HOUSES SCARE THE HELL OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY.
07:46:43 BECAUSE HERE IS YOUR MISSING MIDDLE.
07:46:46 THIS LITTLE HOUSE RIGHT HERE?
07:46:47 THAT IS MISSING MIDDLE.
07:46:49 IT IS NOT A HALF A MILLION PLACE.
07:46:52 IT IS NOT A THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION PLACE.
07:46:55 THAT IS YOUR MISSING MIDDLE THERE, AND THE HOUSE TWO DOORS
07:46:59 OVER IS ALSO YOUR MISSING MIDDLE.
07:47:01 THIS IS NOT MISSING MIDDLE.
07:47:03 THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NOBODY CAN AFFORD.
07:47:05 THIS IS ON THE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR RIGHT NOW.
07:47:07 THIS IS -- NORTH B. AND ARMENIA.
07:47:11 AGAIN -- THIS IS A DUPLEX.
07:47:13 LOOK AT THIS MONSTROSIT, NEXT TO THIS SINGLE-FAMILY.
07:47:18 THIS IS MISSING MIDDLE.
07:47:20 THIS IS NOT.
07:47:21 NOW WE HEARD FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THEY WANTED
07:47:24 DALE MABRY TO BE A TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR SO THAT PEOPLE
07:47:27 COULD TRAVEL TO MacDILL.
07:47:29 I WANT TO SHOW YOU, THESE RED AREAS ARE WHERE THE PEOPLE AT
07:47:34 MacDILL LIVE.
07:47:34 THE RED AREAS ARE WHERE THEY LIVE.
07:47:38 THEY LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
07:47:39 AND THEY LIVE IN THE SOUTH COUNTY.
07:47:41 THEY LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA AND THE SOUTH COUNTY.
07:47:44 DO THEY DRIVE DOWN DALE MABRY?
07:47:47 NOT REALLY.
07:47:48 PEOPLE DO NOT WANT -- THEY JUST DON'T.
07:47:50 THEY JUST DON'T LIVE IN THOSE AREAS AS A RULE.
07:47:53 SO WHEN THEY SAY, OH, WE NEED DALE MABRY TO BE OPEN, TO PUT
07:47:57 MORE TRANSIT.
07:47:58 THAT IS NOT WHERE THEY ARE GOING.
07:48:00 THEY ARE NOT GOING THERE TO MacDILL.
07:48:06 LET'S SEE.
07:48:06 I WILL TRY TO GO THROUGH THIS IN ORDER.
07:48:10 OH, LOOK AT 4.2.9 ON YOUR SHEET.
07:48:14 SAYS THAT DALE MABRY -- THIS IS THE MAIN COMPETENT
07:48:19 SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, IN MY OPINION, AS TO WHY DALE MABRY
07:48:23 SHOULD NOT BE IN TRANSIT CORRIDOR, 4.2.9 TABBED ON THE
07:48:32 BOTTOM.
07:48:32 ALL THE ROUTES OF BAYSHORE, DALE MABRY HIGHWAY, MANHATTAN
07:48:40 SHOULD BE KEPT CLEAR FOR MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
07:48:44 ALL THE OTHERS ARE IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AND HAVE YET
07:48:48 TO BE ELIMINATED.
07:48:49 DALE MABRY IS ON THERE AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION -- WHY DON'T
07:48:52 WE WANT IT?
07:48:53 BECAUSE YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN -- THAT -- THAT TRANSIT
07:48:57 READY CORRIDOR VIOLATES THE COMP PLAN.
07:49:00 IT VIOLATES THE CURRENT COVERED PLAN AND WILL VIOLATE THE
07:49:04 NEW ONE, BECAUSE THAT CLAUSE IS STILL IN THE COMPREHENSIVE
07:49:07 PLAN.
07:49:07 SO HOW CAN YOU DO THAT WHEN YOU -- HOW CAN YOU MAKE A MAP
07:49:11 THAT GOES AGAINST SOMETHING IN THE COMP PLAN.
07:49:14 WHATEVER WE DO IN THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS TO BE -- IT
07:49:19 HAS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
07:49:24 YOU CAN'T JUST RANDOMLY MAKE UP MAPS THAT AREN'T CONSISTENT
07:49:29 WITH THE COMP PLAN.
07:49:29 SO MASSING -- IT IS A REAL BIG DEAL.
07:49:33 RATTLESNAKE EXEMPT FROM 7.1.2.
07:49:37 THEY PUT THAT IN THERE, REMOVE 3.6.2.
07:49:41 I, TOO, I HAD TO PUT LITTLE FLAGS ON EACH ONE.
07:49:43 IT IS -- SO DALE MABRY IS PART OF THE EVACUATION ROUTE FROM
07:49:51 MacDILL, OKAY.
07:49:51 YOU CAN'T GET ON THE SELMON TO LEAVE BECAUSE EVERYBODY FROM
07:49:55 PINELLAS COUNTY IS ON THE SELMON.
07:49:58 YOU HAVE TO GO UP DALE MABRY TO 275.
07:50:00 YOU CAN'T GO THE OTHER WAY.
07:50:02 LET'S SEE.
07:50:05 OH.
07:50:08 1.4.
07:50:10 OTHERWISE KNOWN AT MY HOUSE AS THE CLAUSE.
07:50:14 7.1.4 IS POOP.
07:50:17 LIKE A TURD IN A PUNCH BOWL.
07:50:21 READ THE REST OF THE PAGE.
07:50:22 ONE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE OTHERS.
07:50:24 ONE LOOKS ODD.
07:50:25 THAT SAME MEMO THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD SENT TO
07:50:28 YOU LAST FALL AND SAID, OH, LET'S DO THIS, BECAUSE THEY
07:50:32 THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA.
07:50:33 BUT YOU GUYS DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
07:50:35 HMM ... AND YET THEY TOLD THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I
07:50:39 GUARANTEE YOU, TO PUT IT BACK IN THERE.
07:50:41 BUT IT WASN'T IN THERE UNTIL THEIR MAY MEETING.
07:50:45 THOSE PEOPLE ARE MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON THEIR DESIRES AND
07:50:48 HOW THEY CAN PROFIT FROM IT, NOT FROM WHAT THE PEOPLE WHO
07:50:51 LIVE THERE NEED.
07:50:52 LET'S SEE.
07:50:53 DISTRICT 5.
07:50:55 I WANT TO TALK OF DISTRICT 5 FOR A SECOND BECAUSE I THINK
07:50:58 THESE FOLKS ARE RIGHT.
07:50:59 I DO HAVE FAITH IN EVERYBODY WHO IS SITTING ON THAT COUNCIL
07:51:02 RIGHT NOW THAT YOU WILL MAKE A GOOD DECISION ABOUT
07:51:04 EVERYTHING, AND YOU WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT DISTRICT 5.
07:51:07 I DON'T BELIEVE FOR A SECOND THAT ANY OF YOU WOULD IGNORE
07:51:11 DISTRICT 5 IN ANY DECISIONS YOU EVER MAKE.
07:51:14 BUT I AM GOING TO TELL YOU THIS.
07:51:15 I HAVE BEEN TO THREE OR FOUR DISTRICT 5 DISCUSSIONS, AND
07:51:19 IN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE, PEOPLE ARE ASKING ABOUT
07:51:22 HOUSING.
07:51:23 THEY WANT HOUSING.
07:51:24 THEY NEED HOUSING.
07:51:25 YET WE HAD SOME PEOPLE GET UP HERE TONIGHT AND TALK ABOUT
07:51:28 ALL THE HOUSING NEEDS TO BE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
07:51:30 DUH.
07:51:31 LET'S PUT IT WHERE THEY WANT IT.
07:51:33 TAMPA HEIGHTS WILL TELL YOU.
07:51:34 WE WANT MORE HOUSING.
07:51:36 WE WANT MISSING MIDDLE.
07:51:37 WE WANT TO THESE THINGS.
07:51:39 WE HAVE NO MENTION OF MISSING MIDDLE IN HERE.
07:51:41 AND WE GET -- AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO SELL US THAT THIS IS
07:51:45 MISSING MIDDLE, AND WE ALL KNOW IT IS NOT.
07:51:47 THIS IS UNAFFORDABLE HOUSING.
07:51:49 THIS ISN'T EVEN CLOSE.
07:51:51 NOBODY WHO IS SITTING UP THERE RELYING ON THEIR SALARIES
07:51:55 EVEN WITH A SPOUSE FOR CITY COUNCIL COULD AFFORD THIS.
07:51:58 YOU MIGHT GET THIS ONE.
07:52:00 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO.
07:52:02 >> RIGHT.
07:52:02 BUT THE WHOLE POINT -- MY WHOLE POINT, NO MISSING MIDDLE IN
07:52:06 THIS.
07:52:06 WHERE IS IT AT?
07:52:08 AND -- AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE DISTRICT CANDIDATE FOR DISTRICT
07:52:13 5 HERE THIS EVENING.
07:52:14 I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT.
07:52:15 SO -- ASK YOUR PEOPLE WHY THEY ARE NOT HERE, BECAUSE THIS
07:52:20 ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISIONS YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE.
07:52:23 ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY, KRAMER.
07:52:32 IS THERE A KRAMER?
07:52:34 >> I GAVE UP MY MINUTES PREVIOUSLY.
07:52:37 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANOTHER KRAMER THAT DID NOT?
07:52:40 >> I DON'T THINK SO.
07:52:41 THAT'S ME.
07:52:42 >>LYNN HURTAK: JAKE DIDN'T WANT TO SPEAK?
07:52:47 >> I JUST CAME IN.
07:52:48 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS NOT THE WAY IT WORKS, BUT GOOD
07:52:51 TRY.
07:52:51 YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY SPELL THEIR NAME DIFFERENTLY.
07:52:56 ANKUDOWICH.
07:53:00 I KNOW I BUTCHERED THAT.
07:53:02 ERIC GARDUNO.
07:53:05 >> OKAY.
07:53:06 AM I SPEAKING IN THE IN MIKE HERE.
07:53:08 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BURIED.
07:53:11 START WITH YOUR NAME.
07:53:12 >> ALLEY ANKUDOWICH.
07:53:16 I LIVED IN SOUTH TAMPA.
07:53:17 I WENT TO GORRIE, WILSON AND PLANT.
07:53:20 BEEN TO THE SCHOOLS.
07:53:23 SEEN THEM.
07:53:24 DROVE TO THE SCHOOLS.
07:53:25 TOOK THE BUS TO THE SCHOOLS.
07:53:26 WALKED TO THE SCHOOL SOMETIMES.
07:53:27 I EVACUATED FROM EVERY HURRICANE WHEN EVACUATION ZONE A WITH
07:53:33 MANDATORY EVACUATION.
07:53:35 MY MOM'S HOUSE, 1979 HOUSE THAT SHE LIVED IN AND I ALSO LIVE IN
07:53:41 IT FLOODED WITH HELENE.
07:53:42 WE EXPERIENCED THAT.
07:53:43 BECAUSE OF THAT, I AM ALSO THINKING OF BECOMING A FIRST-TIME
07:53:47 HOME BUYER AND THAT IS A MODERATE INCOME -- MODERATE INCOME
07:53:51 PERSON AND MY MOM AS WELL WHO INVESTED 20 YEARS AT PLANT
07:53:55 HIGH SCHOOL AS A TEACHER AND IS IN RETIREMENT NOW.
07:53:59 MAY ALSO BE INTERESTED IN DOWNSIZING AND AGING IN PLACE IN
07:54:04 THE SOUTH TAMPA COMMUNITY.
07:54:06 AND FOR THAT TONIGHT, I WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR A VARIETY OF
07:54:11 RESILIENT LOCAL HOME OPTIONS AT A RANGE OF PRICE POINTS, AND
07:54:16 THAT SOLUTION WOULD HELP LOCAL SOUTH TAMPA RESIDENTS LIKE
07:54:20 OUR FAMILY AND OTHER FAMILIES THAT I GREW UP WITH RIGHT NOW
07:54:24 OR IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.
07:54:26 AND I WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HEARD A
07:54:29 LOT OF THAT PERSPECTIVE FROM THE SOUTH TAMPA COMMUNITY
07:54:31 TONIGHT.
07:54:32 TOWN HOMES WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO CREATE VARIETY, TO
07:54:36 CREATE SOME ADDITIONAL HOMEOWNERSHIP OPTIONS.
07:54:39 WE ARE NOT TALKING OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT WE ARE TALKING
07:54:41 ABOUT A RANGE OF PRICE POINTS.
07:54:43 THERE ARE STILL CONDOS AND TOWN HOMES THAT YOU CAN FIND
07:54:47 UNDER $500,000, BUT THAT IS BECAUSE THEY WERE ALLOWED
07:54:50 PREVIOUSLY.
07:54:53 AND THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD BE CONTINUING BY HAVING MORE
07:54:56 ROBUST -- THE MOST ROBUST TOWN HOME ALLOWANCES WE HAVE SEEN
07:55:04 DURING THIS UPDATE.
07:55:05 I AM ALSO IN FAVOR OF THE MOST ROBUST TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR
07:55:09 WITH DENSITY BONUSES INCLUDING CONSIDERATION SOUTH OF
07:55:13 KENNEDY AND INCLUDING THE DENSITY ROUND-UP FOR THE SAME
07:55:15 REASONS TO CREATE A RANGE OF OPTIONS.
07:55:17 TO CREATE VARIETY, TO CREATE CHOICE, AND THAT WILL INCLUDE,
07:55:22 HOPEFULLY, AFFORDABILITY SINCE THAT ONE OF THE QUALIFIERS FOR
07:55:25 THE DENSITY BONUS.
07:55:27 I HAVE GONE TO THE MEETINGS WHERE I HEARD CONCERNS OF
07:55:31 STORMWATER, PARKING, BUILDING COMPATIBILITY, AND BUILDING TO
07:55:37 WITHSTAND HURRICANES.
07:55:38 IT'S WHY WE HAVE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGISTRATIONS AND
07:55:42 MULTIMODAL IMPROVEMENT.
07:55:43 TRANSIT IMPROVEMENT MANAGEMENT.
07:55:45 PARKING MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES.
07:55:48 LET'S USE ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
07:55:49 WE TALKABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF NEIGHBORHOODS.
07:55:51 I SEE PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF THAT CAN NOT LIVE IN THE SOUTH
07:55:55 TAMPA COMMUNITY THAT I GREW UP IN.
07:55:56 DESTRUCTION OF NEIGHBORHOODS.
07:55:58 JUST AS MUCH AS ITS DESTRUCTION OF A NEIGHBORHOOD AS ZONING
07:56:03 CHANGES WE PROPOSED TONIGHT.
07:56:04 THINK OF THAT WHEN WE THINK OF NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGE AND
07:56:07 DESTRUCTION OF NEIGHBORHOODS.
07:56:08 I AM IN FAVOR OF DELAYING THIS VOTE TO GET FULL
07:56:11 REPRESENTATION WITH DISTRICT 5.
07:56:13 THANK YOU.
07:56:13 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:56:16 ERIC GARDUNO AND FRANK -- IS IT CARENE OR CREWE?
07:56:30 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ONE NAME, CLAUDIA AROLES.
07:56:34 OKAY, FOUR MINUTES, PLEASE.
07:56:36 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START WITH YOUR NAME -- ERIC.
07:56:38 I KNOW THAT.
07:56:39 I KNOW ERIC.
07:56:40 ERIC, START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES.
07:56:43 >> THANK YOU, ERIC GARDUNO WITH THE BAY AREA APARTMENT
07:56:49 ASSOCIATION.
07:56:49 MANAGERS THROUGHOUT THE REGION INCLUDING THE CITY OF TAMPA.
07:56:54 OUR MEMBERS ARE THE ONEs PROVIDING HOUSING TO PEOPLE FROM
07:56:58 HIGH INCOMEs TO LOWEST INCOMES.
07:57:00 OUR MEMBERS DO MARKET RATE AND AFFORDABLE.
07:57:02 AND THEY HAVE A VERY STRONG INTEREST IN MAKING SURE THERE IS
07:57:05 ENOUGH HOUSING.
07:57:06 THAT IS WHAT OUR CONVERSATION HERE TODAY IS ALL ABOUT,
07:57:09 MAKING SURE THERE IS ENOUGH HOUSING FOR THE PEOPLE WHO NEED
07:57:11 IT NOT JUST TODAY BUT FOR TOMORROW AS WELL.
07:57:14 WE DID -- WE DO, YOU KNOW HAVE A POSITION.
07:57:18 WHETHER GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE COMP PLAN AND FUTURE LAND
07:57:22 USE PROVISIONS -- FUTURE LAND USE SECTION OF THE COMP PLAN.
07:57:27 GREAT PIECES TO IT AND DISCUSSES AROUND AND ELEMENTS THAT
07:57:32 DEAL WITH F.A.R. AND THAT DEAL WITH ACTIVITY CENTERS, ADAPTIVE
07:57:37 REUSE, AND BONUSES.
07:57:39 AND ALL OF THOSE ARE THINGS WE STRONGLY SUPPORT.
07:57:41 THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
07:57:44 YOU KNOW MAYBE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS AROUND DEALING WITH
07:57:48 BOTH THE TIME BETWEEN THE TRANSIT AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AS
07:57:52 WELL AS THE -- MAYBE MAKING MORE OF A CONCERTED EFFORT TO
07:57:59 TO INCENTIVIZE INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
07:58:04 WITH THAT SAID, I HAVE SOME -- I HAVE A CHART HERE WITH SOME
07:58:07 DATA I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH EVERYBODY.
07:58:08 BECAUSE IT GOES BACK AGAIN TO THE WHOLE POINT AROUND WHY WE
07:58:12 ARE DOING THIS.
07:58:13 AND WE ARE DOING THIS FOR MORE HOUSING.
07:58:15 WHAT DOES MORE HOUSING DO?
07:58:16 LET'S TALK OF SOME OF THESE NUMBERS HERE, RIGHT.
07:58:18 THE CHART HERE -- A LOT OF THE DATA FROM COSTAR.
07:58:22 YOU CAN LOOK AT THE DATA IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
07:58:25 THIS IS FOR UNITS -- PARCELS THAT HAVE 25 UNITS OR MORE.
07:58:29 MULTIFAMILY, MEDIUM TO VERY LARGE DENSITY.
07:58:33 ALSO INCORPORATES MOST OF THE HOUSING THAT WOULD BE IN THE
07:58:38 CITY LIMITS.
07:58:39 NOW COSTAR HAS BY ZIP CODE OPPOSED TO ACTUAL LIMITS.
07:58:44 SO SOME PLACES THAT WE ARE MISSING A FEW AND SOME PLACES WE
07:58:48 ARE PROBABLY ADDING A FEW, BUT GENERALLY THIS IS THE GENERAL
07:58:51 DIRECTION.
07:58:52 AND THIS GIVES YOU A GOOD PICTURE WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE
07:58:55 CITY OF TAMPA.
07:58:56 ONE AND TWO DEAL WITH INFLATION, RENT.
07:59:00 FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, RENTS HAVE BEEN FLAT WITHOUT GOING
07:59:06 UP $61.
07:59:08 TO BE CLEAR $61 NOT EACH YEAR BUT $61 OVER THE LAST THREE
07:59:12 YEARS.
07:59:13 AT THE SAME TIME, INFLATION FOR OUR REGION HAVE OUTPACED
07:59:17 RENT INCREASES.
07:59:18 ON TOP OF THAT, A REPORT BY TREP RECENTLY CAME OUT AND
07:59:22 INDICATED FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THE AVERAGE INCREASE
07:59:24 FOR OPERATING COST FOR MULTIFAMILY IN OUR REGION IS OVER 6%.
07:59:28 THIRD HIGHEST IN THE COUNTRY.
07:59:30 ALL OF THIS IS TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SAW DURING THE
07:59:36 PANDEMIC IS FAR BEHIND US, AND WE ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT
07:59:39 REALITY NOW.
07:59:40 ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAVE IN HERE IS DATA ON WHAT'S KEEPING
07:59:46 RENTS AT CHECK.
07:59:47 THE KEY FACTOR IS THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND BALANCE.
07:59:50 SUPPLY HAS STAYED AHEAD OF DEMAND EVEN THOUGH DEMAND IS STILL
07:59:54 STRONG.
07:59:55 WHEN YOU LOOK AT COLUMN --
07:59:59 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PAUSE FOR ONE SECOND.
08:00:01 CCTV, WE LOST THE PRESENTATION FOR THE BROADCAST.
08:00:04 THANK YOU.
08:00:05 OKAY, GO AHEAD.
08:00:06 >> COLUMN 5, YOU SEE HERE THAT ACTUALLY THE -- SORRY -- THE
08:00:17 STARTS FOR NEW MULTIFAMILY IS BELOW THE DEMAND FOR NEW
08:00:23 MULTIFAMILY IN THE LAST QUARTER.
08:00:24 DATA HERE THAT INDICATES WHAT IS THE WHOLE BENEFIT OF HAVING
08:00:38 SUPPORT AND NEED MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
08:00:40 BUT THE MARKET RATE HOUSING HAS PUSHED DOWN AND KEPT IN
08:00:54 CHECK SO THE LEVEL HERE HAS ACTUALLY SHRUNK.
08:01:02 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOLD ON, ERIC.
08:01:05 ERIC, CAN I ASK YOU ONE QUESTION REAL FAST.
08:01:09 >> YES, SIR.
08:01:10 >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION LATER ABOUT BONUS
08:01:14 -- BONUS DENSITY.
08:01:16 >> YES.
08:01:16 >>BILL CARLSON: IF THAT SUPPLY AND DEMAND, IF BY RIGHT,
08:01:31 PEOPLE CAN BUILD EIGHT STORIES, BUT WITH BONUS DENSITY, YOU
08:01:35 CAN HAVE MORE SUPPLY.
08:01:37 AND THEN THE PRICE WOULD COME DOWN OR WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE
08:01:42 BONUS DENSITY?
08:01:47 >> ONE OF THE MAIN FACTORS THAT I THINK IMPEDES THE
08:01:52 SPEEDINESS OF BUILDING NEW HOUSING IS THE -- IS THE PROCESS,
08:01:56 RIGHT.
08:01:56 THE PROCESS CAN TAKE A LONG TIME -- WOULD BE OF THE PROCESS,
08:02:06 THEN YOU HAVE GOT A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE
08:02:09 INVESTMENTS IN PLACE.
08:02:14 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FRANK, CREW, CRIA.
08:02:19 FRANK SOMETHING.
08:02:20 STARTS WITH A C.
08:02:21 I THINK IT IS FRANK.
08:02:29 NO?
08:02:30 GOING ONCE.
08:02:34 THAT MAY BE GRECO.
08:02:37 POSSIBLY.
08:02:38 I SAW HIM LEAVE.
08:02:41 OKAY, THAT PAGE IS DONE.
08:02:43 DAYNA LAZARUS.
08:02:46 FOLLOWED BY ANDY SCAGLIONE.
08:02:52 HI, DANA.
08:02:56 >> HEY, DANA LAZARUS.
08:02:57 AICP CERTIFIED.
08:03:04 FIFTH GENERATION OF TAMPA, AND I OWN A HOME.
08:03:07 WE ALL KNOW OUR CITY IS COMICALLY BIASED OVER SINGLE-FAMILY
08:03:11 HOME, OVERLY ZONED SINGLE-FAMILY.
08:03:13 ESTABLISHED IN A DISTANT PAST, MORE CONGESTION, ROAD
08:03:20 CONGESTION AND A WAY TO WORK AROUND.
08:03:30 PERSONALLY WANT DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES AND QUADRUPLEXES, AND I
08:03:35 WANT IT CITY-WIDE.
08:03:36 I WANT MIXED USED WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS, VILLAGES,
08:03:41 EVERYWHERE.
08:03:41 AND ALL OVER THE CITY.
08:03:47 WE HAVE TO HAVE VISION.
08:03:48 SIX SMALL TRULY WALKABLE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOODS MUST BE PUT
08:03:57 BACK IN.
08:03:58 .8 OR .9 OF UNITS TO BUILD BIGGER AND WE END UP WITH
08:04:14 THE MONSTROSITIES THAT STEPHANIE MENTIONED.
08:04:17 ROUNDING-UP POLICY HELPS TO FIX THAT.
08:04:19 I WANT US TO UNLOCK TRANSIT-ORIENT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
08:04:24 TO SET US UP FOR GROWTH VALUE CAPTURE THAT COULD FUND PUBLIC
08:04:28 TRANSIT IN THE FUTURE.
08:04:29 1/16 IS NOT A BEST PRACTICE.
08:04:32 1/4 OR A HALF MILE, A WALK SHED.
08:04:35 WHAT IS 1/16th OF A MILE.
08:04:38 WHAT IS THAT TO BUILD ISSUES WITH THE TRC.
08:04:42 SHOULDN'T HAVE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A DENSITY BONUS AND THE
08:04:45 OTHER NEIGHBOR DOESN'T.
08:04:47 JUST BECAUSE THEY LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
08:04:51 INTERSECTION.
08:04:51 A CORRIDOR IS AN UNIFORMED STRETCH.
08:04:54 THIS IS WHERE WE START GETTING SLOPPY SPOT AMENDMENTS
08:04:58 GIVING DENSITY AWAY.
08:04:59 MY SHIRT SAYS "LEGALIZE HOUSING."
08:05:01 IN FACT, HE CAN PROVIDE THAT DATA THAT INCREASING SUPPLIES
08:05:05 MAKE HOUSING COSTS GO DOWN.
08:05:08 I HAVE WORN THIS SHIRT FOR YEARS.
08:05:09 HEARING THE DECISION OF INCREASED DENSITY FOR SO MANY YEARS.
08:05:13 OUR YOUNGER GENERATION DOESN'T WANT THINGS TO, QUOTE, STAY
08:05:16 THE SAME.
08:05:17 WE WANT TO BRING TAMPA OUT OF THE 1980s, A FIERCE ADVOCATE
08:05:21 FOR PUBLIC TRANSIT, AND I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY THAT WAS MOVED
08:05:24 ENOUGH AGAINST THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS, BECAUSE WE DON'T
08:05:27 HAVE TRANSIT YET, PUT THE SAME ENERGY INTO THE TRANSIT
08:05:31 PROPOSALS COMING UP.
08:05:32 MY FINAL ASK IS TO PUT OFF VOTING UNTIL WE PUT THINGS BACK IN,
08:05:37 HEAR FROM MORE RENTERS AND YOUTH AND PEOPLE WITH LOWER
08:05:41 INCOME AND STRONGER VISION AND ELECT A DISTRICT 5
08:05:45 REPRESENTATIVE.
08:05:45 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, ANDY SCAGLIONE FOLLOWED BY THE
08:05:49 LAST SPEAKER, THE OTHER CREMER.
08:05:53 >> GOOD EVENING.
08:06:01 THANK YOU FOR BEING PUBLIC SERVANTS AND BEING HERE.
08:06:04 ANDY JOE SCAGLIONE.
08:06:09 A REAL SIMPLE ONE ACTUALLY.
08:06:10 THIS IS REGARDING 1402 EAST 2nd AVENUE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE
08:06:16 OF GASWORX.
08:06:18 PLANNING COMMISSION MADE AN HONEST MISTAKE NOT INCLUDING
08:06:21 THIS PROPERTY -- ALMOST A BLOCK OF PROPERTY IN GASWORX AND
08:06:27 NOT PUTTING IT IN THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA.
08:06:30 THEY FOLLOWED THE CRA LINE, AND IT IS RIGHT OUTSIDE AND
08:06:34 ACTUALLY TOUCHES RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE CRA LINE.
08:06:38 BUT INFRASTRUCTURE CURRENTLY BEING SPENT ON THE GASWORX.
08:06:46 SO I HAVE HAD EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, MISS MELISSA, SAID THAT
08:06:53 SHE SUPPORTS WHAT I AM ASKING FOR THAT THIS IS BEING -- THAT
08:06:58 THIS PROPERTY IS -- BECOMES PART OF THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT
08:07:02 AREA DESIGNATION.
08:07:03 BECAUSE IT IS PART OF GASWORX AND $40 MILLION WORTH OF
08:07:07 INFRASTRUCTURE BEING DONE.
08:07:08 I MEAN, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET TO MY PROPERTY.
08:07:11 THE ROADS ARE ALL CLOSED DOWN THERE.
08:07:13 I GUESS -- SHE COULDN'T MAKE THE CHANGE WITHOUT Y'ALL'S
08:07:17 DIRECTION GIVEN HER THE DIRECTION TO INCLUDE IT.
08:07:20 SO THAT IS WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT.
08:07:22 I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF THAT DIRECTION WOULD BE MADE.
08:07:27 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:07:28 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DID YOU DRIVE FROM ORLANDO?
08:07:30 >> I DID.
08:07:30 BUT THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
08:07:32 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU.
08:07:33 >> I GET TO GO BACK.
08:07:35 SO, THANK YOU.
08:07:37 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. CREMER SPELLED WITH AN C.
08:07:47 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
08:07:48 >> JAKE CREMER.
08:07:50 GOOD TO BE HERE.
08:07:51 I LISTENED TO THE MEETING TONIGHT.
08:07:54 HERE IS THE GOOD NEWS.
08:07:57 THE REALLY GOOD NEWS THAT MOST OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD
08:08:00 TONIGHT CAN GO INTO FIVE OR SIX RELATIVELY CONCRETE BUCKETS.
08:08:04 WE HAVE GOT A DOCUMENT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE BACK-UP, WE
08:08:09 ARE TALKING HUNDREDS OF PAGES.
08:08:09 I THINK THAT IS A PRETTY BIG WIN.
08:08:11 I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY STAFF SHOULD BE
08:08:14 COMMENDED FOR GETTING US TO WHERE WE ARE, RIGHT.
08:08:17 THIS HAS BEEN A THREE- TO FOUR-YEAR PROCESS.
08:08:19 ONE OF THE BEST NEW CONCEPTS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT
08:08:23 IS THESE REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTERS, RIGHT.
08:08:25 BECAUSE I THINK IF WE ALLOW IN THE RIGHT PLACES MORE GROWTH
08:08:29 IN THE CITY, THAT IS GOING TO HELP TAKE PRESSURE OFF OF SOME
08:08:32 OF THE AREAS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE RESISTANT.
08:08:35 SO I THINK THAT IS A CONCEPT THAT WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE
08:08:39 SURE WE MAINTAIN ALONG WITH THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREAS.
08:08:42 WITH THOSE AREAS, REMEMBER, YOU ARE LOOKING AT
08:08:45 INFRASTRUCTURE.
08:08:45 THAT IS WHAT WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT, INFRASTRUCTURE LINKED TO
08:08:48 GROWTH AND PLANNING.
08:08:49 SO WE ARE FINALLY GETTING SOME OF THAT IN THE COMP PLAN.
08:08:53 I THINK REALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME.
08:08:55 SO WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD CONCEPT.
08:08:58 I WANT TO ECHO MICHAEL MARINO'S COMMENTS RIGHT ON POINT WITH
08:09:04 WEST SHORE, ROCKY POINT.
08:09:05 HOW ALL THESE AREAS WORK TOGETHER.
08:09:08 PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE WANT TO SEE THEM GROW.
08:09:10 LET'S ALLOW THEM TO CONTROL THEIR OWN DESTINY.
08:09:15 MY CONCERN -- AND I CAN COUNT THE VOTES, AND I THINK THERE IS
08:09:18 PROBABLY -- WE ARE HEADED TOWARD SOME DELAY, BUT THE
08:09:21 CAUTION, I GUESS, THAT I WOULD RAISE IS WE WORKED ON THIS
08:09:24 FOR FOUR YEARS.
08:09:25 AND IF WE DELAY TOO MUCH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN
08:09:29 THE LETTERS THAT THE STATE HAS STARTED SENDING TO PLACES
08:09:32 LIKE ORANGE COUNTY AND MANATEE COUNTY.
08:09:34 THOSE ARE ON DIFFERENT ISSUES, BUT WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS A
08:09:37 MUCH MORE MUSCULAR STATE WHEN IT COMES TO GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
08:09:42 AND SO THE LONGER THIS GETS LONGER, THE RISK OF STATES
08:09:50 STEPPING IN AND TELLING US HOW TO DO IT.
08:09:53 SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, LET'S FIND WAYS TO DELAY THIS AS
08:09:56 LITTLE AS POSSIBLE.
08:09:57 WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK, RIGHT.
08:09:59 THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT ONLY HAPPENS ONCE A
08:10:02 DECADE.
08:10:02 WE CAN COME BACK NEXT YEAR AND LOOK AT DISCREET ISSUES.
08:10:05 LET'S MOVE FORWARD AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND QUICKLY AS WE CAN,
08:10:09 BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF REALLY GOOD STUFF IN THIS PLAN.
08:10:11 SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION AND
08:10:14 APPRECIATE BEING HERE TONIGHT.
08:10:16 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU FOR CLOSING OUT PUBLIC COMMENT
08:10:18 TONIGHT.
08:10:18 HOLD ON ONE SECOND, JAKE.
08:10:20 >>BILL CARLSON: NOT A QUESTION.
08:10:22 CAN I ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION KIND OF A PROCESS
08:10:25 QUESTION?
08:10:25 I KNOW WE WILL TAKE A BREAK, BUT AS THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT
08:10:27 IT, I WOULD LIKE TO THROW OUT A COMMENT QUESTION.
08:10:30 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ABSOLUTELY.
08:10:32 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
08:10:34 >>BILL CARLSON: TO JAKE'S POINT, WHAT WAS IT, A FEBRUARY
08:10:40 VERSION TO A MAY VERSION, THERE WAS CONTENT -- JAKE, CAN YOU
08:10:44 HEAR ME?
08:10:45 CONTENT PUT IN FROM THE FEBRUARY VERSION TO THE MAY VERSION
08:10:48 THAT WE DIDN'T ASK FOR.
08:10:49 AND IF THAT CONTENT HAD NOT BEEN PUT IN AND THE COMMUNITY
08:10:53 DIDN'T ASK FOR IT.
08:10:54 IF THAT CONTENT DID NOT PUT THIS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DELAY
08:10:58 IT IN MAY AND WOULDN'T HAVE TO DELAY IT AGAIN.
08:11:01 I AM HOPING THAT NO EXTRA CONTENT WILL BE PUT IN.
08:11:03 MY QUESTION IS, MISS ZORNITTA, AN EXAMPLE.
08:11:07 WE HEARD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS OF 7.1.4.
08:11:11 AND 3.6.2.
08:11:13 AND I WONDER, THE COMMUNITY, WE DIDN'T ASK FOR THOSE.
08:11:17 AND THEY ARE ADDED IN BETWEEN FEBRUARY AND MAY.
08:11:19 WHO -- WHOSE IDEA WAS THAT?
08:11:21 WAS THAT THE STAFF'S IDEA, THE CONSULTANT'S IDEA, THE CITY'S
08:11:27 IDEA?
08:11:28 WHOSE IDEAS WERE THESE AND WHY WERE THEY PUT IN?
08:11:31 I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS SO THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
08:11:33 FOR JAKE'S POINT, CAN A CONSULTANT OR SOMEBODY ADD SOMETHING
08:11:41 THAT WASN'T FOR THE COMMUNITY?
08:11:42 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
08:11:43 SO 7.1.4 WAS MEMORIALIZING A REQUEST BY THE PLANNING
08:12:00 COMMISSION THAT YOU ALL AS PART OF A DIFFERENT PLAN
08:12:03 AMENDMENT.
08:12:12 >> SO THE ANSWER IS, IT CAME FROM YOUR BOARD?
08:12:17 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: YES.
08:12:18 >>BILL CARLSON: DIDN'T COME FROM STAFF, IT CAME FROM YOUR
08:12:21 BOARD.
08:12:22 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: YES.
08:12:22 RATTLESNAKE POINT, I THINK THAT WAS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE
08:12:28 PLAN, I BELIEVE.
08:12:29 LET ME DOUBLE CHECK WITH JENNIFER, BUT THAT ONE IS ON OUR
08:12:35 LIST TO GO BACK AND REVISIT BASED ON ALL THE COMMENTS, BUT I
08:12:41 THINK THAT ACTUALLY WAS --
08:12:43 >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE FOR THE RECORD, 3.6.2 IS
08:12:47 NEW LANGUAGE, BUT THERE IS THOUGHT -- THERE WAS -- I WOULD
08:12:52 BE HAPPY TO EXPLAIN MORE WHY THIS WAS DRAFTED THIS WAY.
08:12:55 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN YOU JUST TELL ME THE ANSWER, DID IT COME
08:12:59 FROM STAFF, FROM YOUR BOARD?
08:13:01 >>JENNIFER MALONE: 3.6.2 CAME FROM STAFF, PLANNING
08:13:05 COMMISSION STAFF.
08:13:08 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST SO WE UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
08:13:10 AS YOU ALL GO, THINK ABOUT THIS.
08:13:12 IF IT WAS UP TO ME, I WOULD ACCEPT ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS
08:13:17 FROM THE COMMUNITY.
08:13:18 AND WHATEVER WE GET BACK TO YOU ALL TONIGHT, WE NEED TO BE
08:13:25 CLEAR SO THAT YOU ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT TO DO.
08:13:27 AND THEN -- AND THEN WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO STOP ALL
08:13:31 THESE OTHER VOICES FROM THE CONSULTANTS FROM ADDING THINGS
08:13:35 IN THAT WILL CAUSE US FROM GOING FOR ANOTHER ROUND.
08:13:38 >>JENNIFER MALONE: 3.6.2 HAS BEEN IN THE DRAFT FOR MONTHS, I
08:13:42 THINK FROM THE VERY FIRST DRAFT.
08:13:43 I WILL HAVE TO GO AND CHECK THAT, BUT STAFF HAD THIS POLICY
08:13:47 IN HERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
08:13:48 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET ME ASK COUNSEL -- I KNOW, BUT LET ME
08:13:53 SEE.
08:13:53 BECAUSE HE HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION.
08:13:56 THEN WE TAKE A BREAK.
08:13:59 IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA?
08:14:02 >>LUIS VIERA: OH, YEAH.
08:14:04 I WANT TO SPEAK.
08:14:06 >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK WE SHOULD LET HER SPEAK AND LISTEN
08:14:08 TO US FOR A LITTLE BIT AND THEN THEY CAN GO AND PUT A LITTLE
08:14:12 TEN MINUTES FOR A DRAFT.
08:14:14 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: SURE, I HAVE A LIST OF THINGS TO CLARIFY
08:14:24 AND RESPOND TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS.
08:14:27 YES, WE ARE KEEPING A LIST OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO REVISIT
08:14:31 AND HAVE YOUR DIRECTION ON IN TERMS OF A MOTION ON AS WELL.
08:14:33 SO JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP THROUGH --
08:14:37 WELL, MAYBE MORE THAN A COUPLE THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
08:14:42 WE DID FOCUS OUR OUTREACH EFFORT ON THE MOTION YOU ALL MADE
08:14:47 IN MAY, TO LOOK AT THOSE TWO AREAS.
08:14:50 IN THE PROCESS OF GOING OUT IN ALL THOSE MEETINGS AND HAVING
08:14:54 THE SURVEY ONLINE, WE GOT A LOT OF COMMENTS.
08:14:57 I MEAN, I THINK IT WAS OVER 1500 COMMENTS.
08:15:01 WE DID HAVE A LIMITED TIME TO DIGEST EVERYTHING BETWEEN WHEN
08:15:05 THE PUBLIC OUTREACH CLOSED IN THE FIRST OR SECOND WEEK OF
08:15:10 AUGUST AND WHEN WE HAD TO GET A DRAFT TO YOU ALL.
08:15:13 SO WE FOCUSED THE REVISIONS, AGAIN, ON THOSE TWO AREAS.
08:15:18 BUT CERTAINLY IF THIS ITEM IS CONTINUED, WE WOULD CONTINUE
08:15:23 TO SYNTHESIZE THAT INPUT ALONG WITH WHAT WE HEARD TONIGHT
08:15:28 AND THE DIRECTION YOU ALL GIVE US TO PUT TOGETHER A REVISED
08:15:32 DRAFT.
08:15:33 BUT THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS WHY WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY
08:15:44 CHOICES.
08:15:44 THE -- YES, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT IS DEVELOPING OUT
08:16:23 BETWEEN THAT SIX UNITS PER ACRE AND THE TEN THAT IS THE
08:16:25 MAXIMUM.
08:16:26 WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT GROWTH, BUT I HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE
08:16:30 SAY THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS CHANGE,
08:16:34 AND THEY DON'T WANT THE GROWTH TO GO THERE.
08:16:36 SO WHEN I SAY, YES, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CAN ACCOMMODATE
08:16:41 THAT POPULATION, IT CAN, BUT THAT IS GOING TO MEAN FOR A LOT
08:16:45 OF CHANGES IN PLACES WHERE MAYBE PEOPLE DON'T WANT THE
08:16:52 CHANGE FOR CORRIDORS OR -- THE -- WE ADDRESSED 7.1.4 COMING
08:16:58 FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
08:16:59 THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREAS,
08:17:03 CONTRADICTING THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
08:17:06 THOSE ARE SPECIFIC AREAS THAT LIKE DOWNTOWN, WEST SHORE, THE
08:17:15 COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREAS WHERE THERE ARE SPECIFIC PLANS
08:17:18 FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND A VISION FOR HIGHER DENSITY THAT WE
08:17:21 ARE CALLING TO CARVE OUT OF THOSE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA
08:17:25 POLICIES.
08:17:26 THE LANGUAGE ABOUT SOUTH TAMPA AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
08:17:30 HAS BEEN REFERENCED BY A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS.
08:17:33 THAT LANGUAGE IS NOT ADOPTED TODAY.
08:17:35 IT IS DESCRIPTIVE LANGUAGE IN THE PLAN.
08:17:39 IT IS NOT EMBODIED IN A GOAL OF OBJECTIVE OR POLICY.
08:17:44 AND IF IT IS NOT IN A GOAL, OBJECTIVE OR POLICY, IT MAKES IT
08:17:49 VERY HARD FOR STAFF OR THE LEGAL TEAM TO UTILIZE THAT AS A
08:17:52 REASON FOR FINDING SOMETHING INCONSISTENT.
08:17:56 THAT IS WHY IT WAS NO NOT MOVED FORWARD INTO THE DRAFT PLAN,
08:18:03 BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO BE MORE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT -- WHAT
08:18:08 WAS ADOPTED AND KEEPING THINGS IN THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND
08:18:12 POLICIES THE TRANSIT READY -- THE TRANSIT READY PART OF THE
08:18:18 TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS -- WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH HART TO
08:18:22 IDENTIFY THOSE CORRIDORS.
08:18:23 THEY HAVE MUCH SERVICE OR WITH -- OR WILL HAVE PLANNED
08:18:29 DENSITY ON THOSE CORRIDORS WOULD HELP TO HAVE RIDERSHIP, TO
08:18:40 HAVE THAT SUPPORT OF TRANSIT.
08:18:45 A NUMBER OF COMMENTS ABOUT TABLE 3 REVISIT, BUT -- THE --
08:18:55 THE IDEA THAT WE HAD IN TABLE THREE WAS TO DO A COUPLE OF
08:19:00 THINGS.
08:19:00 ONE, NOT ALLOW FOR THE CURRENT BONUS DENSITY, THE STEP-UP IN
08:19:09 35 UNIT PER ACRE CATEGORY.
08:19:11 YOU START AT 30 BY RIGHT.
08:19:13 YOU CAN STEP UP TO 35.
08:19:14 NOT ALLOW THAT STEP UP IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
08:19:19 OUR MOST VULNERABLE AREA.
08:19:21 IN -- BUT IN THE REST OF THE CITY, OUTSIDE OF THE COASTAL
08:19:25 HIGH HAZARD AREA, REMOVE THAT STEP UP TO SIMPLIFY AND
08:19:30 STREAMLINE AND MAKE THE BONUSES MORE MEANINGFUL THROUGH THE
08:19:33 BONUS STRUCTURE THAT WAS ADDING THESE TRANSIT READY BONUSES,
08:19:37 THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BONUS, THE GREEN BUILDING BONUS.
08:19:41 THINGS LIKE THAT.
08:19:42 THAT ALIGNED MORE WITH THE VISION OF THE CITY.
08:19:48 THE CATEGORY TODAY, TOWN HOMES AND ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY
08:19:57 UNITS ARE ALLOWED.
08:19:58 THE LANGUAGE IN THE PLAN THAT THEY ARE TO BE LIMITED.
08:20:04 LIMITED IS A BROAD TERM THAT IS NOT VERY SPECIFIC AND CLEAR.
08:20:11 ATTEMPT IN THE VARYING DRAFTS HAVE BEEN TO TRY TO GIVE MORE
08:20:15 DEFINITION TO WHAT THAT TERM IS.
08:20:16 BUT THAT -- BUT THEY ARE ALLOWED TODAY.
08:20:20 IT IS NOT SOMETHING NEW THAT WE ARE INTRODUCING.
08:20:23 WE DID REMOVE THE MULTIFAMILY REFERENCE THAT WAS MENTIONED
08:20:27 BY MISS ZAMERMAN IN THE LATEST DRAFT.
08:20:31 THE -- SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SHOWN WERE OUT OF DATE,
08:20:38 AND IF I NEED TO REITERATE ANY OF THE NEW MAPS AT ANY POINT,
08:20:42 PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
08:20:43 HEIGHT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS TYPICALLY REGULATED BY THE
08:20:49 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
08:20:50 THAT IS REGULATED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
08:20:52 THERE ARE REFERENCES IN THE PLAN TODAY TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE
08:20:57 ABOUT THE TYPICAL TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD OCCUR IN
08:21:01 THOSE LAND USE CATEGORIES, BUT I THINK WE HAVE SOME
08:21:04 AGREEMENT WITH CITY STAFF THAT HEIGHT IS MORE APPROPRIATE TO
08:21:07 BE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
08:21:08 WHERE IF A VARIANCE OR SOMETHING TO THE HEIGHT NEEDS TO
08:21:14 OCCUR, THERE IS A PROCESS TO THAT.
08:21:16 YOU CAN'T VARY A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
08:21:18 IF SOMEONE NEEDS ONE MORE FOOT OF HEIGHT OR ONE MORE STORY,
08:21:22 THERE IS NOT A PROCESS TO DO THAT.
08:21:25 THERE IS A PROCESS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
08:21:27 THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS ALSO WE BELIEVE THE MORE
08:21:31 APPROPRIATE PLACE TO CLOSE SOME OF THE PD LOOPHOLES THAT
08:21:38 WERE DISCUSSED.
08:21:39 I DON'T THINK YOU WILL SEE ANY DISAGREEMENT FROM PLANNING
08:21:42 COMMISSION STAFF DOING SO, BUT THE BETTER PLACE OF DOING
08:21:44 THAT THAN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
08:21:46 SIMILARLY, THE PROCESS FOR BONUS AGREEMENTS IS CURRENTLY
08:21:49 OUTLINED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AS WELL.
08:21:51 SO THAT WE BELIEVE IS THE BEST PLACE TO ADDRESS THAT THOSE
08:21:55 NEED TO COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
08:21:56 SORRY, I AM JUMPING AROUND A LITTLE BIT BACK AND FORTH TO
08:22:02 THINGS.
08:22:02 GOING BACK TO TABLE THREE.
08:22:05 IT WAS MENTIONED THAT WE SHOULDN'T INCLUDE THE DATE OF
08:22:09 THE CHHA.
08:22:11 THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE IS A REQUIREMENT IN STATE
08:22:15 STATUTE THAT WE CANNOT HAVE A SELF-AMENDING PLAN.
08:22:19 THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA LINE GETS UPDATED BY THE STATE
08:22:24 AND WE ARE TOLD WE -- WE AUTOMATICALLY HAVE TO USE THE NEW
08:22:32 LINE.
08:22:34 SO WE CAN'T HAVE THE PLAN AUTOMATICALLY -- AGAIN IF WE
08:22:43 REVISIT TABLE 3, WE CAN REVISIT IF THAT IS EVEN NEEDED BASED
08:22:48 ON THOSE CHANGES.
08:22:48 I WILL SAY WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR DELIBERATIONS, IT WILL BE
08:22:52 HELPFUL TO GET DIRECTION ON TABLE 3.
08:22:55 I HEARD BOTH THE IT HE SIRE FOR BY RIGHT DENSITY AND I HEARD
08:22:59 WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE CURRENT STRUCTURE.
08:23:02 SO IT WILL BE GREAT TO GET THE CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL ON IT.
08:23:06 I ONLY HAVE GOT LIKE A COUPLE MORE.
08:23:09 THE POLICIES RELATED TO THE MISSING MIDDLE.
08:23:14 THERE ARE MANY POLICIES IN THE HOUSING SECTION.
08:23:17 WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE DISCUSSION OF THAT YET TONIGHT, ONE
08:23:22 OF THE ITEMS THAT HAVE COME -- THAT COMES ALONG WITH -- WITH
08:23:25 THE FUTURE LAND USE AND THE COASTAL BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL SO
08:23:30 LINKED.
08:23:30 BUT MISSING MIDDLE IS NOT A DEFINED TERM IN THE PLAN.
08:23:34 THAT IS WHY WE HAVEN'T USED IT.
08:23:36 WE TALK OF ALTERNATIVE HOUSING TYPES.
08:23:39 THE INCLUSION OF THINGS LIKE DUPLEXES AND ATTACHED
08:23:43 SINGLE-FAMILY.
08:23:43 AND THERE ARE A LOT OF POLICIES ABOUT THAT IN THE HOUSING
08:23:46 SECTION.
08:23:46 THE POLICY -- THERE IS A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH -- ABOUT
08:23:55 DALE MABRY AND MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
08:23:58 AND WHILE I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE
08:24:02 IMPACTS TO MacDILL AND THE DENSITY BONUSES AND WHETHER OR
08:24:06 NOT THEY ARE APPROPRIATE ON DALE MABRY GIVEN THEIR NEED TO
08:24:09 EVACUATE, STAFF DID NOT FIND THAT WE WERE INCONSISTENT WITH
08:24:13 POLICY 4.2.6, BECAUSE OUR READ OF THAT.
08:24:18 THAT IT ADDRESSES ROAD CLOSURES AND NOT THE SPECIFICALLY
08:24:23 THE ISSUE OF WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE DENSITY ALONG THOSE
08:24:26 ROADWAYS.
08:24:26 I THINK THAT IS ALL I HAVE.
08:24:28 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
08:24:28 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:24:30 I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA --
08:24:34 >>LUIS VIERA: NO, ACTUALLY -- I HAVE THINGS TO SAY, BUT I
08:24:37 KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION ON
08:24:39 THE GASWORX PROPERTY.
08:24:41 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE NOT IN THE MOTION STAGE YET.
08:24:45 >>LUIS VIERA: I WAS GOING TO DO THAT JUST FOR THE GENTLEMAN
08:24:49 WHO REQUESTED HE HAD TO GO BACK TO ORLANDO.
08:24:51 JUST ON THAT NARROWLY TAILORED ISSUE.
08:24:55 IF IT IS THE PLEASURE OF --
08:24:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DOESN'T AFFECT ANYTHING ELSE.
08:25:01 I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO LOOK AT
08:25:09 SECOND AVENUE TO BE PUT BACK INTO THE COASTAL -- THE CDA.
08:25:13 I THINK THERE WAS A MISTAKE THERE.
08:25:15 THAT IT CAN BE REVIEWED AND BE MADE.
08:25:18 I KNOW HE HAS TO GO BACK.
08:25:20 HE CAME FROM ORLANDO FOR THIS MEETING AND GOING RIGHT BACK
08:25:23 TO ORLANDO.
08:25:24 SO THAT IS MY MOTION.
08:25:26 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
08:25:33 A SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
08:25:35 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
08:25:36 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN YOU MAKE IT PRECISE?
08:25:37 I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT MISCOMMUNICATING.
08:25:40 WE WANT TO SPECIFICALLY ADD IT IN.
08:25:45 NOT TO LOOK AT IT BUT ADD IT IN.
08:25:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 1402 EAST SECOND AVENUE TO BE ADDED TO
08:25:51 THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA BETWEEN -- WHAT IS IT, BETWEEN
08:25:55 YBOR AND THE CHANNEL DISTRICT IN THAT AREA THAT WAS
08:25:58 DESCRIBED.
08:25:58 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU ACCEPT THAT STILL WITH YOUR SECOND?
08:26:02 A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
08:26:03 SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
08:26:04 ANY DISCUSSION?
08:26:06 ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
08:26:07 OPPOSED?
08:26:08 THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
08:26:10 >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL SAVE MY REMARKS.
08:26:13 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING -- SO -- WHY DON'T
08:26:23 WE DO THAT.
08:26:24 COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
08:26:24 WHO WOULD LIKE TO START?
08:26:26 COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
08:26:26 >>LUIS VIERA: COUPLE OF THINGS I WROTE DOWN WHICH IS, NUMBER
08:26:33 ONE, SOMETHING THAT MR. CREMER SAID IS TRUE -- JAKE CREMER
08:26:40 THAT FLORIDA, TALLAHASSEE IS WATCHING.
08:26:42 AND WE HAVE SEEN THEIR MORE PUNITIVE STANCE.
08:26:47 I AM THE CHAIRMAN OF HART, AND WE ARE SEEING THAT
08:26:52 POTENTIALLY THERE AND ON MORE ISSUES, MORE INTERVENTION, I
08:26:56 SHOULD SAY.
08:26:56 I THINK THERE IS A CONSENSUS -- DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON
08:27:00 BEHALF OF OTHER FOLKS TO POTENTIALLY CONTINUING THIS, BUT WE
08:27:05 ARE MAKING IT RELATIVELY QUICK AND WILL PUT MORE WORK ON
08:27:09 PLANNING COMMISSION, AND WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP
08:27:11 AS GENTLEMEN AND GENTLE LADIES, I KNOW THAT IN THAT REGARD,
08:27:15 BUT TO MOVE AND EXPEDITE THIS, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO
08:27:18 DELAY THIS UNNECESSARILY.
08:27:20 IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING.
08:27:22 COUPLE OF THE THINGS.
08:27:24 MISS SHELL HAD SPOKEN FROM UNIVERSITY SQUARE CIVIC
08:27:28 ASSOCIATION.
08:27:28 I HAVE AN E-MAIL THEY SENT -- I THINK IT WAS YESTERDAY
08:27:33 EVENING.
08:27:33 SO I HAVE ASKED MY ASSISTANT, MICHELLE, AND MYSELF AND OTHER
08:27:38 FOLKS THERE AND FOLKS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DEAL
08:27:41 WITH THOSE SPECIFIC -- THERE ARE ABOUT EIGHT DIFFERENT
08:27:44 REQUESTS THERE.
08:27:44 I AM NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM ALL RIGHT NOW FOR THE SAKE
08:27:48 OF TIME TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
08:27:50 I THINK THAT IS GREAT.
08:27:51 OVERALL, INITIALLY TALKED ABOUT MY -- I GUESS -- I DON'T
08:27:58 WANT TO SAY CYNICAL, BUT NEGATIVE VIEW OF THE FUTURE OF MASS
08:28:01 TRANSIT IN THE TAMPA AREA AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
08:28:04 THERE IS A BALANCE THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS THAT WE
08:28:07 CONTINUALLY FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, SOME ARE LEGAL REASONS
08:28:10 THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL.
08:28:12 SOME ARE POLITICAL REASONS.
08:28:13 SOME THINGS ARE THE WILL OF THE VOTERS.
08:28:15 2022, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY POLITICALLY CHANGED RADICALLY ON
08:28:19 THESE TYPES OF ISSUES.
08:28:20 I DO MEAN RADICALLY.
08:28:22 IN 2001, OUR INABILITY OR REFUSAL TO PROCEED WITH INFRASTRUCTURE
08:28:27 SUPPORT THAT WE NEED, WHETHER IT IS FOR THINGS LIKE PUBLIC
08:28:29 SAFETY, POLICE AND FIRE, WHETHER IT IS FOR OUR ROADS, MASS
08:28:33 TRANSIT, STORMWATER ISSUES OBVIOUSLY ARE VERY ACUTE,
08:28:37 PARTICULARLY FOR US HERE IN THE TAMPA AREA.
08:28:40 AS WELL AS OUR POST COVID WITH REGARD TO HOUSING.
08:28:44 A LOT OF THE HOUSING ADVOCATES SAY IS TRUE, AND WE ARE STILL IN
08:28:50 THE HOUSING CRISIS AND THE HITS THAT WORKING FAMILIES HAVE
08:28:53 TAKEN SINCE COVID.
08:28:54 THE RENT IS --PARDON ME -- DAMN HIGH, AND FOLKS ARE FEELING THAT
08:28:59 PINCH.
08:28:59 SO WE NEED TO BALANCE THOSE OUT.
08:29:02 AND, AGAIN, I AM VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THE FACT THAT A LOT OF
08:29:06 OUR FRIENDS IN SOUTH TAMPA SAY A LOT OF THOSE AREAS HAVE
08:29:09 BEEN DEVELOPED VERY, VERY LIBERALLY.
08:29:11 I KNOW THAT BECAUSE NEW TAMPA, NOT MUCH MORE WE CAN DEVELOP
08:29:15 OUT HERE.
08:29:15 I TOTALLY TO QUOTE OUR 42nd PRESIDENT, I FEEL YOUR PAIN IN
08:29:19 THAT REGARD.
08:29:20 BUT I THINK IT IS A BALANCE IN THAT REGARD, AND I LOOK
08:29:23 FORWARD TO REACHING THAT.
08:29:24 I WILL STOP MURMURING AND SAYING THINGS AND LET EVERYBODY
08:29:28 ELSE SPEAK.
08:29:29 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
08:29:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE MAP PASSED OUT AND SANDY SANCHEZ AND
08:29:35 CARLOS RAMIREZ OF THE INCREASE OF DENSITY IN THE CITY BLOCKS
08:29:38 TO THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS, IT IS ALL PINK.
08:29:41 AND ALL PINK --
08:29:43 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS AN OLDER MAP.
08:29:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THIS STILL IN PLAY?
08:29:48 WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TODAY?
08:29:49 BECAUSE THIS WAS -- I FIRST HEARD ABOUT IT SATURDAY MORNING
08:29:52 AT 7 A.M.
08:29:53 THEN I SEE IT HERE.
08:29:54 HAS THIS BEEN TAKEN OUT?
08:29:57 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: I BELIEVE THAT MAP IS CURRENT, BUT LET
08:30:00 ME JUST TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
08:30:01 YEAH, I THINK THAT THIS IS STILL ACCURATE.
08:30:07 AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE THEIR LAND USE CATEGORIES ARE
08:30:12 RESIDENTIAL-20 OR HIGHER ALREADY.
08:30:15 WE RETAINED AN 1/8 OF A MILE ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS.
08:30:22 SO THAT -- THAT IS WHY IT IS STILL THAT LARGE AREA IN THOSE
08:30:26 AREAS, YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
08:30:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I MEAN THIS IS -- THIS IS THE WHOLE
08:30:30 NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:30:30 MR. RAMIREZ MENTIONED THIS TAKES UP OUR ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD
08:30:34 IN CERTAIN SECTIONS.
08:30:36 KNOWING THIS OVER TIME AS PEOPLE DIE AND PROPERTIES CHANGE
08:30:39 HANDS, IT WILL COMPLETELY ERASE THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THIS.
08:30:43 SO, I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT I AM THINKING AS -- AS THINGS
08:30:49 PROGRESS, AND THESE -- THIS IS WITHIN A HISTORIC WEST TAMPA
08:30:53 DISTRICT AND EVERYTHING.
08:30:54 THIS IS CONCERNING.
08:30:55 AND WITH REGARDS TO LAND USE POLICY 7.1.4, AND IT WAS
08:31:00 MENTIONED BY A MULTITUDE OF INDIVIDUALS IS TO -- TO INCREASE
08:31:07 -- OKAY, INCREASES IN THE CHHA WHEN A DEVELOPER AGREES TO
08:31:13 CONSTRUCT AND INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE CITY WILL
08:31:15 ENHANCE THE RESILIENCY OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
08:31:18 ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SHOWED A MAP OF THE LOWER PENINSULA.
08:31:21 I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS MISS POYNOR OR MISS BENNETT THAT YOU
08:31:25 CAN'T -- YOU CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH, BUT THAT AREA IS GOING TO
08:31:29 FLOOD.
08:31:29 WHAT IS A DEVELOPER GOING TO DO TO ENHANCE THE RESILIENCY OF
08:31:33 THE AREA?
08:31:34 BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BEAT MOTHER NATURE.
08:31:37 YOU FLOOD LESS.
08:31:39 YOU -- IT IS -- IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
08:31:43 I THINK IT IS DANGEROUS IN THE SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW,
08:31:47 STORMWATER SYSTEM, NO MATTER WHO YOU BIG, HOW MODERN IT IS,
08:31:51 YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T MANAGE CERTAIN FLOODING EVENTS AND
08:31:54 CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, 100-YEAR STORMS AND ALL THIS STUFF.
08:31:58 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK EXACTLY WHAT
08:32:01 THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS THINKING, BUT I THINK THEY WERE
08:32:03 LOOKING FOR IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THERE BEING SOME
08:32:08 TOOLS FOR DEVELOPERS TO SUPPORT A BROADER OFF-SITE OF THEIR
08:32:17 PROJECT.
08:32:17 SOME IMPROVEMENTS -- I DON'T KNOW --
08:32:20 >>EVAN JOHNSON: EVAN JOHNSON, CITY PLANNING.
08:32:22 I WAS GOING TO ADD TO THAT.
08:32:23 THERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES, AND ST. PETE BEING THE MOST WELL
08:32:29 KNOWN ONE LOCALLY WHERE THEY ALLOW CERTAIN AREAS IN
08:32:33 THE CHHA, THEY ALLOW FOR AMENDMENTS TO BE REQUESTED, BUT
08:32:36 THEY HAVE GOT SPECIFIC RESILIENCY FEATURES THAT HAVE TO BE
08:32:40 INTEGRATED.
08:32:41 THAT REQUIRED -- THE WAY THEY DID IT.
08:32:43 AND THE LAST TIME I TALKED TO STAFF DOWN THERE.
08:32:46 IT HAS BEEN A LITTLE WHILE.
08:32:47 THAT IS HAVEN'T BEEN USED A LOT.
08:32:49 THAT IS BASICALLY WHERE THAT CAME FROM, THOSE IDEAS THAT YOU
08:32:52 CAN HAVE BUILDINGS WITH, YOU KNOW, BETTER GENERATORS.
08:32:55 THEY MIGHT INCREASE THE FREEBOARD WHICH IS THE ELEVATION OF
08:32:59 YOUR FLOOD LEVEL ELEVATION.
08:33:01 THINGS LIKE THAT THAT CAN REDUCE THE RISK TO THE PEOPLE AND
08:33:04 TO THE STRUCTURE.
08:33:05 THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF POPULATED ATTRACTIVE AREAS THAT TEND
08:33:12 TO IT BE.
08:33:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT IS COMMON SENSE.
08:33:15 AFTER WHAT I SAW LAST YEAR IN THE FLOODING, AND I LOVE DAVIS
08:33:20 ISLANDS.
08:33:22 I LOVE DAVIS ISLANDS.
08:33:24 MY FRIEND AND I DROVE AROUND THE ISLANDS WHEN THE ROAD WAS
08:33:30 PASSABLE.
08:33:30 100 HOUSES I WANT TO LIVE IN, BUT I WOULD NEVER LIVE THERE.
08:33:34 BUILD HIGH UP BECAUSE I WANT SOMETHING HISTORIC AND COOL
08:33:38 WITH HISTORIC CHARACTER BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE PUT IN THAT
08:33:43 SITUATION.
08:33:43 WHAT I AM GETTING TO -- AND I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT GREED, I
08:33:47 KNOW EVERYBODY NEEDS TO MAKE MONEY, BUT HURTS THE SURROUND
08:33:50 AREA.
08:33:51 THEY FIX THEIR PROPERTY AND FLOODING OTHER PROPERTIES.
08:33:53 SOME AREAS ARE LOW-LYING.
08:33:55 I HAVE BEEN HERE MY WHOLE LIFE.
08:33:57 AND I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE ENTIRE CITY.
08:33:59 IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
08:34:01 YEAH, THERE ARE BEAUTIFUL AREAS.
08:34:03 I LOOKED OUT OVER THERE IN HARBOUR ISLAND IS HERE.
08:34:08 AND SO MANY BEAUTIFUL PLACES.
08:34:12 I WITNESSED WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR.
08:34:14 AND WANT DEVELOPMENT.
08:34:22 THEY WANT GROWTH.
08:34:24 YOU KNOW EVERYBODY SHOULD BE HERE AS WAS ALREADY SAID TAMPA
08:34:38 TIES A LOT OF PEOPLE.
08:34:39 I HAVE BEEN HERE MY WHOLE LIFE AND I NEVER THOUGHT AND I
08:34:42 HOPE I WOULD NEVER SEE WHAT HAPPENED LAST FALL.
08:34:46 SO OTHER PLACES WHERE THE -- WHERE THE BUILDERS CAN GO.
08:34:49 AND I MENTION IT TO SOMEBODY.
08:34:51 THAT PERSON IS NOT IN THE ROOM ANYMORE.
08:34:53 I SAID WHY IS EVERYBODY BUILDING IN SOUTH TAMPA?
08:34:55 EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO TO PLANT.
08:34:57 EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO TO ROBINSON.
08:34:59 THOSE SCHOOLS ARE FULL.
08:35:00 YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THESE KIDS GOING TO GO?
08:35:03 WHY DON'T THEY LOOK AT OTHER PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE
08:35:06 SAYING, HEY, HE WANT IT.
08:35:11 RIGHT.
08:35:12 THIS WHOLE THING.
08:35:15 SO I COULD GO ON AND ON.
08:35:18 THIS IS A HUGE -- THIS IS A HUGE DOCUMENT, BUT, AGAIN, THERE
08:35:21 IS SO MUCH OPPORTUNITY --
08:35:23 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, WOULD YOU
08:35:25 PLEASE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE THAT?
08:35:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH, I WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY, BUT
08:35:29 IF APPROPRIATE, I WILL DO IT NOW.
08:35:31 SO IT IS FRESH.
08:35:32 IF NOT I WILL JUST KEEP TALKING.
08:35:34 >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, I WON'T FORGET IT.
08:35:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
08:35:39 REMOVE LU POLICY 7.1.4.
08:35:42 >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
08:35:43 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
08:35:45 SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
08:35:46 ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
08:35:47 OPPOSED?
08:35:48 AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
08:35:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
08:35:51 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
08:35:53 >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
08:35:53 YES, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE.
08:35:56 I THINK WE SAID THAT BEFORE AT THE MAY MEETING.
08:35:58 IT WAS ADDED BACK IN BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
08:36:00 AND ULTIMATELY, IT IS NOW DECISION.
08:36:03 SO I DO -- I UNDERSTAND THEIR DESIRE, BUT WE -- WE SAID IN
08:36:08 MAY WE WOULDN'T SUPPORT THAT.
08:36:09 SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS ON HERE THAT -- THAT WE DO NEED
08:36:21 TO CHANGE.
08:36:22 I -- THERE IS SO MUCH -- THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH
08:36:29 TABLE 3, WITH THE MAX DENSITY AND INTENSITY IN SOME AREAS.
08:36:33 BUT I AM ALSO CONCERNED THAT -- OR HOPEFUL THAT MAYBE SOME
08:36:40 OF THAT CAN BE USED IN AREAS THAT REALLY DO WANT DENSITY AND
08:36:43 I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS PAY AVAILABLE.
08:36:45 I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SPLIT LIKE THAT.
08:36:48 I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SAY, HEY, THIS IS PART OF THE CITY
08:36:51 THAT REALLY WANTS DENSITY.
08:36:52 SO, AGAIN, I MIGHT ASK -- THAT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOME
08:36:55 OF MY DIRECTION IS TO HAVE YOU LOOK AT TABLE 3, WHICH IS
08:36:58 THAT ALREADY BONUS DENSITY AND WHERE CAN WE -- WHAT -- THE
08:37:04 AREAS THAT WE WANT TO FOCUS GROWTH, THEY SHOULD BE THE ONES
08:37:07 TO BE GETTING THAT AUTOMATIC DENSITY.
08:37:09 ANYTHING WE CAN TO DO FOCUS THE GROWTH WHERE WE HEARD
08:37:16 THAT A, PEOPLE WANT IT.
08:37:17 AND B, THAT IS OUTSIDE THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA WHERE
08:37:22 PEOPLE CAN SHELTER IN PLACE.
08:37:23 BUT THERE ARE QUITE A FEW PLACES IN THE CITY THAT REALLY ARE
08:37:27 ASKING FOR THIS DENSITY.
08:37:28 I MEAN, WE HEARD FROM THE NORTH TAMPA, WHERE THEY WANT THAT
08:37:33 DENSITY ALONG DALE MABRY AVENUE.
08:37:38 THEY WANT ANYTHING THAT THEY CAN TO DO INCENTIVIZE IT.
08:37:42 I HEARD FROM TAMPA HEIGHTS ABOUT IT.
08:37:44 I HEARD FROM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS OF BEING HAPPY OF IT BEING
08:37:48 FOCUSED ON THE CORRIDORS.
08:37:49 SO THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO -- TO LOOK AT.
08:37:53 BUT ALSO, KNOWING THAT WE CAN'T TAKE TOWN HOUSES OUT OF R-10
08:37:59 BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY ALLOWED.
08:38:00 AND LIMITED, BUT THE LANGUAGE IS ALREADY THERE.
08:38:03 SB 180 WOULD -- IF WE TOOK THAT LANGUAGE OUT, WOULD BE A
08:38:08 CONSIDERATION OF TAKING AWAY PROPERTY RIGHTS.
08:38:11 SO LIMITED IS WHAT WE SEE TODAY, WHICH IS HAVING TO COME
08:38:15 THROUGH.
08:38:17 HAVING TO GET AN AMENDMENT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I HEARD
08:38:21 YOU SAY MULTIFAMILY IS OUT OF THAT DEFINITION OF TOWN HOME.
08:38:26 AND, AGAIN, IN THE AREAS THAT ARE R-10 THAT WANT THAT
08:38:30 ADDITIONAL DENSITY, HOW DO WE DO THAT?
08:38:33 HOW DO WE THEN SAY IN THE MORE CENTRAL PORTIONS OF THE CITY
08:38:38 THAT ARE R-10, HOW DO WE THEN SAY, YES, YOU CAN DO
08:38:43 MULTIFAMILY.
08:38:43 THERE WAS THE -- THE DEVELOPER WHO CAME UP INITIALLY -- OR
08:38:48 ONE OF THE FIRST FOLKS THAT SPOKE THAT SAID, YEAH, YOU KNOW,
08:38:54 I -- I HAD THIS 7,000 SQUARE FEET, AND I HAVE TO BUILD ONE
08:39:01 GIANT HOME I CAN'T BUILD TWO SMALL HOMES.
08:39:04 THAT IS THE KIND OF THING THAT I DON'T KNOW -- IF IT IS LAND
08:39:07 DEVELOPMENT CODE OR FUTURE LAND USE, BUT IF IT IS LAND
08:39:10 DEVELOPMENT CODE -- OKAY -- FUTURE LAND USE?
08:39:12 THEN I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM IN THIS AS
08:39:16 WELL.
08:39:16 IN AREAS THAT WANT THIS, THAT NEED THIS GROWTH TO SAY, YEAH,
08:39:24 YOU CAN PUT A QUAD RIGHT NOW, THE LOOP -- THE HOOPS THEY
08:39:28 HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
08:39:32 >> SO JUST TO SPEAK TO THAT.
08:39:42 THERE IS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN, LIKE, ATTACHED
08:39:52 SINGLE-FAMILY, WHICH IS DUPLEXES, QUADS AND --
08:39:59 >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, OKAY, I AM SORRY.
08:40:01 HOW FAR DOES IT GO?
08:40:03 WHAT IS THE -- COULD IT BE A EIGHT PLEX OR A SIX PLEX.
08:40:12 >>JENNIFER MALONE: THE LDC HAS VERY SPECIFIC DEFINITIONS AND
08:40:15 WE DO NOT WANT TO MISSPEAK OF HOW THE LDC DEFINES THOSE
08:40:21 THINGS.
08:40:21 AND WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT THEM.
08:40:24 I KNOW THAT MULTIFAMILY STYLE IS EIGHT ATTACHED UNITS BUT
08:40:29 ALSO SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND SINGLE-FAMILY SEMI DETACHED.
08:40:33 MULTIPLE DEFINITIONS MEAN DIFFERENT THINGS.
08:40:36 >>LYNN HURTAK: THE PURPOSE OF THIS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK
08:40:38 THERE WILL BE ANY MORE.
08:40:42 IN MOST OF OUR R-10 IT IS THREE STORIES AND LET'S TRY --
08:40:48 LET'S DRAW THAT LINE.
08:40:49 SIX PLEXES.
08:40:51 IN AREAS, BUT NOT ONLY THAT, I WAS UP, YOU KNOW, DOING STUFF
08:40:56 FOR MY MOTHER LAST WEEK IN GAINESVILLE AND BIKING AROUND,
08:40:59 AND THEY HAD THESE TEENY, TINY LOTS.
08:41:02 THEY ARE SPLITTING LOTS AND PUTTING TWO VERY SMALL, VERY
08:41:05 NARROW HOMES ON.
08:41:06 AND THEY ARE IN THE $200,000s.
08:41:11 IT IS NOT PERFECT FOR EVERYONE, BUT IT WAS -- I MEAN,
08:41:15 COMPARED TO OUR PRICES, VERY AFFORDABLE.
08:41:17 >> WOULD HAVE BE ENABLED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
08:41:21 >>JENNIFER MALONE: AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE DENSITY FOR IT
08:41:23 TOO.
08:41:23 AGAIN, IT IS A TWO-PRONGED.
08:41:25 >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU WITH R-10, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE DENSITY
08:41:30 FOR THAT.
08:41:30 TEN UNITS AN ACRE?
08:41:32 >>JENNIFER MALONE: WE SEE THAT MORE NOW IN THE R-20
08:41:37 DESIGNATION.
08:41:37 >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
08:41:38 MAYBE SOME PEOPLE MIGHT WANT TO CHANGE SOME ZONING.
08:41:41 SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS I AM LOOKING AT, INCLUDING
08:41:45 THE TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR.
08:41:47 I THINK MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE TALKED OF THE FACT OF NARROWING
08:41:50 THOSE CORRIDORS, STARTING SMALL, BUT, AGAIN, I DO THINK AT
08:41:54 THIS POINT, IT MIGHT BE A NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUE.
08:41:58 I DON'T THINK FLORIDA AVENUE YOU WOULD CONSIDER, BUT FLORIDA
08:42:01 AVENUE, FOR SURE.
08:42:01 I MEAN, SEMINOLE HEIGHTS VISION PLAN HAS THAT ALREADY IN
08:42:06 THERE.
08:42:06 SO -- SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF CORRIDORS WE WOULD WANT TO
08:42:10 CONTINUE.
08:42:10 AND DEFINITELY EVALUATE THE EXTENT OF WHICH THE INNOVATIVE
08:42:18 HOUSING TOOLS LIKE THE ROUNDING POLICY BE BROUGHT BACK WITH
08:42:21 LIMITED APPLICATIONS IN THOSE AREAS WE ARE TRYING TO PROMOTE
08:42:24 GROWTH.
08:42:24 I THINK THE MAJOR OVERVIEW THAT I AM HEARING THAT SOMEONE
08:42:29 PUT IT SO CLEARLY WAS NOT TO LOOK AT THIS AS A BLANKET, BUT
08:42:35 LOOK AT IT AS A SPOT WHERE WE WANT TO FOCUS THE GROWTH.
08:42:38 BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT IF WE FOCUS THE GROWTH IN THESE
08:42:41 AREAS THAT WANT GROWTH, AS PEOPLE SEE WHAT IT CAN BRING,
08:42:46 THERE IS LESS FEAR IN THAT.
08:42:48 SOMETHING ELSE I AM GOING TO ASK FOR THAT HAVEN'T BEEN
08:42:50 TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT THAT MIGHT BE A SEPARATE MOTION IS TO
08:42:55 PROVIDE SOME VISUAL EXAMPLES IN SOME PILOT AREAS OF WHAT THE
08:43:00 IMPACT OF THE DENSITY INCENTIVES WILL LOOK LIKE BOTH WITH
08:43:04 DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
08:43:05 SO SAYING, LIKE, CHOOSING TEN PARCELS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF
08:43:09 THE CITY AND SAYING WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THAT.
08:43:11 ASKING THE DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT TO DO THAT.
08:43:14 AND ALSO ASKING MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO LOOK
08:43:17 AT THOSE SAME PARCELS, BECAUSE JUST -- JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN
08:43:21 PUT SOMETHING THERE, IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WORKS
08:43:25 DEVELOPMENTALLY.
08:43:26 AND THE -- THE EXAMPLE THAT I USE WHEN TALKING ABOUT THIS
08:43:30 THAT -- THAT WAS USED DURING THIS REZONING IN SOUTH TAMPA,
08:43:35 IT WAS THE BREAD FACTORY THAT THEY REZONED INTO TOWN HOMES
08:43:39 AND THE COMMUNITY SAID, WE REALLY WANT COMMERCIAL.
08:43:41 AND THE -- THE DEVELOPERS CAME UP AND SAID WE PENCILLED IT
08:43:46 OUT.
08:43:46 COMMERCIAL DOES NOT WORK HERE.
08:43:47 THIS IS WHAT WORKS.
08:43:49 SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE DIFFERENT GROUPS TO JUST
08:43:52 GIVE THE PUBLIC AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT BOTH SIDES LOOK AT
08:43:55 WHEN THEY SEE A PARCEL.
08:43:57 AND I THINK THE VISUALIZATION OF THAT WILL HELP ALL OF US
08:44:00 UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT CAN BE PUT IN DIFFERENT
08:44:03 PLACES.
08:44:04 AND THEN WHAT PEOPLE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH.
08:44:06 SO THAT WILL BE -- AND THEN, OF COURSE -- OF COURSE WORKING
08:44:12 WITH CITY LEGAL ON THE POSSIBLE IMPLICATIONS OF SB 180 ON
08:44:17 THE OVERALL, AND I THINK THAT WILL BE HAPPENING ANYWAY, BUT I
08:44:21 WANT TO SAY THAT.
08:44:22 I KNOW WE WILL GIVE YOU AFTER A COUPLE MORE PEOPLE SPEAK, WE
08:44:26 WILL GIVE YOU MORE TIME TO COME BACK AND COME UP WITH WHAT
08:44:29 YOU THINK YOU HEARD.
08:44:30 AND THEN MAKE SOME COPIES AND US TALK ABOUT IT.
08:44:32 BUT I REALLY DO APPRECIATE ALL -- EVERYONE WHO HAS COME
08:44:37 TONIGHT.
08:44:37 EVERYONE WHO HAS SPOKE, AND EVERY WHO SENT AN E-MAIL,
08:44:40 PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE WORK THEY HAVE DONE, OUR LEGAL
08:44:42 AND OUR PLANNING TEAMS FOR ALL THE WORK THAT THEY ARE DOING
08:44:46 ON THIS AS WELL.
08:44:46 IT IS DEFINITELY A -- IT IS -- IT IS A VILLAGE EFFORT.
08:44:53 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
08:44:55 >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, I WANT TO ECHO THE THANKS TO EVERYONE
08:44:59 AS WELL, ESPECIALLY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOLKS
08:45:01 ACCOMMODATING ALL THOSE EXTRA MEETINGS.
08:45:03 I KNOW IT TOOK TIME AWAY FROM YOUR PERSONAL TIME AND
08:45:07 FAMILIES.
08:45:07 WE WERE ALL OUT ALMOST EVERY NIGHT.
08:45:10 AND YOU ALSO ACCOMMODATED OUR VACATIONS.
08:45:12 THAT IS WHY IT WAS COMPRESSED IN SUCH A SHORT TIME.
08:45:14 I APPRECIATE YOU ALL DOING THAT AS WELL.
08:45:17 I THINK WE ARE -- YOU KNOW JAKE CREMER'S POINT, TO THE NEXT
08:45:24 STAGE FASTER, FOR ME, THIS -- WE ARE ENTERING A DIFFERENT
08:45:27 PHASE.
08:45:27 THE PHASE NOW IS, IN MY MIND, AND I AM ONLY ONE OF SEVEN
08:45:32 HERE, BUT THE PHASE TO ME WAS LISTENING TO WHAT THE PEOPLE
08:45:35 HAVE SAID.
08:45:36 AND SO, YOU ALL HAVE WRITTEN THAT PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF
08:45:40 AND CITY AND ALL -- YOU HAVE WRITTEN THIS DOCUMENT THAT --
08:45:45 THAT IS HUNDREDS OF PAGES LONG.
08:45:47 THE COMMUNITY IS TALKING ABOUT MAKING VERY FEW CHANGES.
08:45:52 YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SUMMARIZE THEM IN A FEW MINUTES, BUT
08:45:56 SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES BUT NOT WHOLESALE CHANGING EVERYTHING.
08:45:59 THEY DIDN'T ASK TO THROW THE WHOLE THING OUT AND START ALL
08:46:03 OVER AGAIN.
08:46:04 THE HARD WORK THAT IS PUT INTO THIS.
08:46:06 BUT AT THIS POINT, WHAT I WOULD EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO MOVE
08:46:12 FORWARD IS THAT YOU ALL WILL COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, WE
08:46:15 LISTENED TO THE PUBLIC AND WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT.
08:46:18 MIGHT BE YOU AS PLANNERS DON'T 100% AGREE.
08:46:21 FOR EXAMPLE, DALE MABRY.
08:46:23 YOU ALL WERE IN THE SAME MEETINGS I WAS AT.
08:46:26 EVERYBODY IN THOSE MEETINGS SAID DON'T INCLUDE DALE MABRY AT
08:46:29 ALL.
08:46:29 AND AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE -- IF WE HAD TO JUSTIFY IT TO
08:46:34 THE STATE, LET'S DO THAT.
08:46:35 BUT IF WE ARE ALL GOING TO WORK ON SAME SIDE OF TABLE TO GET
08:46:39 TO THE FINISH LINE ON THIS, WE NEED TO LISTEN TO WHAT THE
08:46:43 COMMUNITY IS SAYING.
08:46:44 IF WE DON'T LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE ANSWER IS THE
08:46:47 CONSULTANT SAID WHAT THE COMMUNITY SAID IS A BAD IDEA.
08:46:50 ONE OUT OF 10 OR ONE OUT OF 20 OR IF ALL OF IS A BAD IDEA
08:46:55 BECAUSE THE CONSULTANT SAYS THAT, I WILL VOTE NO AND WE WILL
08:46:58 HAVE A FIGHT WITH THE STATE IF WE HAVE TO.
08:47:00 WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND NOT JUST -- NOT JUST THAT YOU ALL --
08:47:08 I WANT TO MAKE SURE DAVID -- I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE
08:47:12 HERE.
08:47:12 RECOMMEND THAT YOU ALL COME BACK WITH A LIST IN A FEW
08:47:16 MINUTES.
08:47:16 BUT RECOMMEND THAT YOU COME BACK NEXT WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER
08:47:19 TO COME BACK WITH A TIMELINE OR SCHEDULE AND MAYBE JUST
08:47:22 CHECK IN ON US FOR THAT TOO.
08:47:24 JUST TO MAKE SURE THE COMMUNICATION IS CLEAR THIS TIME.
08:47:27 AND WAY TO OFFER UP THAT I WOULD SUPPORT HELPING THE
08:47:32 NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOUTH TAMPA PUT TOGETHER MEETINGS.
08:47:37 WE HEARD CLEARLY WE NEED TO HAVE MEETINGS IN EAST TAMPA
08:47:40 AND DISTRICT 5 AREAS.
08:47:42 AND EVEN BEFORE WE PICK SOMEBODY, THE CANDIDATES CAN COME IF
08:47:47 THEY WANT.
08:47:48 I ATTENDED A DISTRICT 5 MEETING. THAT ONE WAS NOT ENOUGH.
08:47:51 OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO HEAR MORE VOICES.
08:47:54 I WOULD LIKE TO PUT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS IN.
08:47:57 AND I WANT TO KNOW WHO TOOK THAT OUT AND WHY?
08:48:00 MAYBE YOU CAN TELL ME IN A FEW MINUTES.
08:48:02 THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS HOW PEOPLE WOULD
08:48:05 ACCEPT DENSITY.
08:48:06 PEOPLE SAY IF YOU PUT A LITTLE GROCERY STORE THAT I CAN GO
08:48:09 TO, I DON'T MIND A POCKET OF DENSITY.
08:48:13 PUT A LITTLE COFFEE SHOP, I DON'T MIND HAVING THAT LITTLE
08:48:17 BIT OF DENSITY.
08:48:18 IF YOU TAKE IT OUT, YOU ARE NOT PROVIDING THE NEIGHBORHOODS
08:48:21 THAT WANT IT.
08:48:22 TRANSIT -READY DEVELOPMENT AND TAKE THAT TERM OUT BECAUSE
08:48:26 TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS HAVE KILLED IT.
08:48:28 TALK MUCH TRANSPORTATION NODES.
08:48:29 AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT HUGE DIFFERENCES EVEN ON DALE MABRY,
08:48:34 AND I AM NOT GOING TO POINT OUT SPACES.
08:48:36 CERTAIN SPACE ON DALE MABRY.
08:48:37 YOU TAKE DALE MABRY WHOLESALE ARE RIGHT NEXT TO
08:48:43 NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:48:43 SOME HAVE HUGE COMMERCIAL AREAS ALREADY.
08:48:45 AND IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE EXACTLY WHICH SPOT YOU PICK FOR
08:48:48 THOSE NODE OF DENSITY.
08:48:49 I THINK THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TO GO NEIGHBORHOOD BY
08:48:52 NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:48:52 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THAT SHORT PLAN, A WEEK OR TWO, THE
08:48:58 PUBLIC INPUT, HOW THE COMMITTEE CAN HELP YOU.
08:49:00 I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE BUDGET TO DO IT ALL.
08:49:03 FIND MONEY IN THE CRA OR GET VOLUNTEERS TO DO IT BUT WE NEED
08:49:08 THAT UP,DATE.
08:49:09 ALSO, A RECOMMENDATION TO GET RENTERS.
08:49:11 SOMEHOW GET TO RENTERS, IF PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT GET
08:49:15 VOLUNTEERS TO DO IT AND LOWER INCOME PEOPLE.
08:49:17 HOW DO WE GET MORE OF THOSE FOLKS OUT.
08:49:19 WE TALKED OF THE MISSING MIDDLE.
08:49:21 I DON'T KNOW WHY IF THE MISSING MIDDLE WAS A SECTION IN
08:49:25 THE PREVIOUS PLAN, WHY IT WAS TAKEN OUT.
08:49:27 MAYBE THAT BE IS A QUESTION FOR LATER THE OTHER THING.
08:49:37 THIS IS A LONG DISCUSSION.
08:49:38 MAYBE SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
08:49:40 ALL BONUS DENSITY IS A SPEED BUMP.
08:49:43 EVERY DEVELOPER SAYS IT TAKES MONTHS EXTRA TO GO THROUGH THE
08:49:47 PROCESS OF BONUS DENSITY.
08:49:48 WHAT THE COMMUNITY GETS OUT OF IT IS VERY LITTLE.
08:49:50 IF WE HAVE -- IF WE HAVE TEN BUILDINGS AND ONE OUT OF TEN
08:49:56 GETS BONUS DENSITY SO NOW THEY HAVE AN EXTRA 20 UNITS.
08:49:59 IF WE COULD HAVE HAD 200 EXTRA UNITS INSTEAD, THE MARKET
08:50:03 WILL BRING THE PRICES DOWN.
08:50:04 AND WE WILL HAVE EXTRA TAXES FROM THE 200 UNITS THAT WE CAN
08:50:09 USE TO WORK ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
08:50:11 WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET BY LIMITING EVERYBODY ELSE, WE ARE
08:50:15 NOT GOING TO GET THE BENEFIT THAT WE NEED.
08:50:16 WE EITHER -- I THINK WE EITHER NEED TO PROVIDE BY RIGHT OR
08:50:20 NOT AT ALL.
08:50:21 AND THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO TRY TO WORK ON THAT.
08:50:24 I DON'T THINK THAT THAT SYSTEM WORKS.
08:50:26 FROM ANY RESEARCH I HAVE DONE AND IN TALKING TO EVEN THE
08:50:29 DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
08:50:30 AGAIN, WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT THIS LATER.
08:50:32 THIS ISSUE ABOUT EAST VERSUS SOUTH.
08:50:35 REALLY OFFENSIVE E-MAILS WE HAVE GOTTEN OF SOUTH TAMPA
08:50:40 AGAINST STEREOTYPES.
08:50:42 A HISTORIC AMOUNT OFAFRICAN-AMERICAN PEOPLE, LOWER INCOME PEOPLE
08:50:47 AND MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE AND UNFAIR TO THINK OF SOUTH TAMPA TO BE
08:50:51 RICH WHITE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT SOMETHING IN THEIR BACK
08:50:55 YARD AND WANT TO PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
08:50:56 I HAVE BEEN TO THE DISTRICT 35 MEETING.
08:50:58 I HAVE BEEN SO SEVEN OR EIGHT OF DEBATES THAT I AND OTHERS
08:51:02 HAVE BEEN IN.
08:51:03 AND EVERYWHERE I GO, I HEAR THAT PEOPLE WANT DEVELOPMENT.
08:51:06 THEY WANT DEVELOPMENT.
08:51:07 THEY WARRANT GROWTH.
08:51:08 THEY DON'T WANT WHOLESALE GENTRIFICATION.
08:51:12 SOME ADMINISTRATIONS SAY WE NEED TO TURN DOWN 2,000 HOMES
08:51:16 AND HAVE HOUSES JUST FOR RICH PEOPLE WHICH IS HAPPENING.
08:51:19 I DON'T THINK NOBODY HERE IS IN FAVOR OF THAT.
08:51:22 ADDING A FEW TOWN HOMES, QUADS, OTHERS.
08:51:25 I DON'T HEAR PEOPLE IN EAST TAMPA STAYING THEY DON'T WANT
08:51:29 IT, IN FACT THEY ARE SAYING THEY WANT IT.
08:51:30 WE NEED GROWTH TO GO WHERE THEY WANT IT.
08:51:33 NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:51:34 DALE MABRY -- I TALKED ABOUT DALE MABRY A MINUTE AGO, BUT IT
08:51:38 IS AN EVACUATION CORRIDOR.
08:51:39 GO THERE.
08:51:40 MacDILL HAS SEVERAL SHIFTS.
08:51:41 WHEN MacDILL IS LETTING IN AND OUT, IT IS A NATIONAL
08:51:45 SECURITY HAZARD BECAUSE IT BACKS UP TO YOU GANDY AND
08:51:50 SOMETIMES WAY FARTHER THAN GANDY AND PEOPLE CAN'T GET
08:51:53 AROUND.
08:51:53 MacDILL -- SOMEBODY MENTIONED MacDILL AVENUE IS TOTALLY
08:51:56 BACKED UP MOST OF THE DAY.
08:51:57 BAYSHORE IS BUSY MOST OF THE DAY.
08:52:00 THE CROSSTOWN, SELMON IS PACKED FOR HOURS AND HOURS ALL DAY.
08:52:04 THAT IS ON A NONEVACUATION DAY.
08:52:06 I WENT THROUGH -- I THINK WE HAD TWO BRACS.
08:52:11 20 OR 30 YEARS AGO.
08:52:14 I WAS ON THE TAMPA CHAMBER BOARD AND GO TO THE FEDERAL
08:52:18 GOVERNMENT TO DEFEND MacDILL AND KEEP MacDILL AS AN ASSET.
08:52:21 THEY WERE TRYING TO KICK IT OUT.
08:52:23 SHUT IT DOWN.
08:52:24 WE FOUGHT HARD TO KEEP IT HERE.
08:52:26 IF WE CREATE SECURITY THREATS FOR MacDILL, THE FEDERAL
08:52:30 GOVERNMENT CAN REMOVE THEM AND A HUGE LIABILITY FOR US.
08:52:33 WE SHOULDN'T DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.
08:52:39 WE HAVE GROWTH IN SOUTH TAMPA.
08:52:41 IF WE DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING, THE GROWTH IN SOUTH TAMPA WILL
08:52:45 BE MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
08:52:46 NOT LIMITING GROWTH FOR RICH PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT IT IN
08:52:50 THEIR BACK YARD.
08:52:50 PROVIDING BALANCE BY ALLOWING -- NOT ONLY THE SAME LEVEL OF
08:52:54 GROWTH IN PARTS OF THE CITY BUT ALLOWING GROWTH IN THE
08:52:58 CITY-TO-PROVIDE EQUITY.
08:52:59 MY SON GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE.
08:53:01 HE HAS TWO JOBS RIGHT NOW.
08:53:03 HE IS DESPERATELY LOOKING FOR A PLACE HE CAN AFFORD IN SOUTH
08:53:06 TAMPA.
08:53:06 IT IS HARD, I KNOW.
08:53:07 BUT THERE ARE ALREADY PLACES APPROVED.
08:53:10 DEVELOPERS ARE JUST GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW
08:53:13 TRYING TO BUILD THOSE PLACES.
08:53:14 WE WILL HAVE GROWTH NO MATTER WHAT.
08:53:16 THERE WILL BE COMPETITION AND WE HAVE SEEN MARKET PRICE GOES
08:53:20 DOWN.
08:53:20 AGAIN, I -- I WANT TO -- I WANT US TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE.
08:53:26 LISTEN TO WHAT THE PEOPLE SAID.
08:53:28 LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE.
08:53:30 I WANT TO LEAVE WITH ONE LAST THING.
08:53:32 I HAVE BEEN SAYING ANECDOTALLY FOR MONTHS THE CANARY IN THE
08:53:38 COLE MINE, THAT THE ECONOMIC INDICATORS LAG AT LEAST A YEAR.
08:53:42 SO WE CAN USE VANITY RANKINGS AND TALK ABOUT HOW GREAT WE
08:53:47 ARE, BUT A LOT OF THE GROWTH WE HAD WAS BECAUSE YOU HAVE
08:53:49 COVID AND BECAUSE A LOT OF RICH PEOPLE MOVED HERE FOR THAT
08:53:52 FLORIDA BECAUSE THEY -- THEY DIDN'T WANT TO WEAR MASKS.
08:53:57 A LOT OF THE COMPANIES THEY WERE WORKING WITH NOW AND OTHER
08:54:00 PLACES HAVE -- ARE NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO WORK REMOTELY, SO
08:54:04 MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE GONE BACK.
08:54:06 MANY OF THEM GONE BACK BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THERE ARE NO
08:54:09 SIDEWALKS.
08:54:09 THAT THE ROADS ARE BROKEN.
08:54:10 THAT THE PARKS ARE FALLING APART IN SOUTH TAMPA AND
08:54:14 EVERYWHERE ELSE.
08:54:15 ONE OF THE VERY -- AND -- AS SOMEBODY -- THE MAYOR'S OFFICE
08:54:20 SAY SHOW US PROOF, SHOW US PROOF.
08:54:24 CALL ME AND I WILL GIVE OUT NAME OF THE REALTOR.
08:54:26 I TALKED TO ONE OF THE TOP REALTORS IN SOUTH TAMPA
08:54:29 YESTERDAY.
08:54:30 HE SAID IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, HE HAS 12 LISTINGS TO LEAVE
08:54:35 TAMPA.
08:54:37 12 LISTINGS TO LEAVE TAMPA, AND ONLY ONE OF PEOPLE COMING
08:54:41 IN.
08:54:41 THESE NUMBERS ARE LAGGING.
08:54:47 THE REALITY OF WHAT WE ARE FACING BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T
08:54:50 INVESTED IN SIDEWALKS AND STORMWATER AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND
08:54:53 ROADS AND PARKS, AND BECAUSE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS
08:54:58 OVERLOADED, GOOD PEOPLE WHO ARE CREATING JOBS AND CREATING
08:55:02 WEALTH IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE LEAVING.
08:55:04 SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN HERE FOR DECADES AND ONLY THE LAST
08:55:07 FEW YEARS.
08:55:07 WE GOT TO TURN IN AROUND.
08:55:09 WHEN WE GOT TRANSIT AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE FIXED, THEN WE
08:55:12 CAN LOOK AT GROWTH AGAIN.
08:55:13 IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE TO SLOW DOWN AND INVEST IN
08:55:18 INFRASTRUCTURE SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAMS UP.
08:55:19 THANK YOU.
08:55:19 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
08:55:20 COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
08:55:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
08:55:22 I ALMOST FORGOT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
08:55:26 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SOMEBODY IS COMPETING WITH YOU,
08:55:29 COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
08:55:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CAN HANDLE THAT.
08:55:32 ANYWAY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING.
08:55:35 TALKING OF BUILDING AND GIVE YOU A SYNOPSIS REAL QUICK.
08:55:38 YOU GO DOWN KENNEDY AND MAKE A RIGHT ON HOWARD.
08:55:42 NICE.
08:55:43 FOUR LANE, BEAUTIFUL, ONE LANE.
08:55:45 AND MEETS UP WITH COLUMBUS DRIVE WITH WHAT?
08:55:47 ARMENIA.
08:55:47 ARMENIA IS ALSO PRETTY NICE, BUT THEN ARMENIA HAS A PROBLEM
08:55:51 WHEN IT HOOKS UP TO YOU HOWARD GOING FORWARD.
08:55:54 BECAUSE WHEN IT YOU GET TO HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE, A TWO-LANE
08:55:59 ROAD.
08:55:59 YOU GO TWO BLOCKS YOU ARE IN THE COUNTY.
08:56:04 CHECK THAT OUT.
08:56:05 GOING EAST TO WEST AND COMING FROM CARDINAL ROAD.
08:56:08 YOU SAY I AM GOING TO TAKE A NICE ROAD.
08:56:10 I AM GOING TO LEAVE MLK AND GO TO CARGO ROAD AND PICK
08:56:16 UP MLK.
08:56:17 YOU WILL BE ALL RIGHT TO GET TO HIMES.
08:56:19 FROM HIMES ALL THE WAY TO THE INTERSTATE ON THE OTHER SIDE
08:56:22 OF NEBRASKA.
08:56:24 THAT IS A LONG WAY.
08:56:25 IT IS GOING TO TAKE YOU 30 MINUTES FROM 4:00 UNTIL 5:30.
08:56:31 BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHY?
08:56:35 YOU CAN'T MAKE A QUICK LEFT TO GET ON THE INTERSTATE.
08:56:38 ALL THE WAY OUT THERE IS A PROBLEM.
08:56:39 I HAVE DONE IT AND TESTED IT OUT.
08:56:43 AND I KNOW.
08:56:46 AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM THERE.
08:56:48 COLUMBUS DRIVE.
08:56:49 IT'S NICE.
08:56:50 NICE ROAD.
08:56:51 PAVED BY THE COUNTY FINALLY.
08:56:52 A LOT OF ROADS NEED PAVING.
08:56:54 I AM NOT SAYING -- UNFRIENDLY WITH THE COUNTY, BUT COLUMBUS
08:57:00 DRIVE, ANY ROAD GOING EAST AND WEST, NORTH AND SOUTH IN WEST
08:57:04 TAMPA, IT IS A TWO-LANE ROAD.
08:57:05 SO YOU HAVE DITCHES IN WEST TAMPA.
08:57:08 WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THE BUILDINGS?
08:57:11 UNDERGROUND?
08:57:12 I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
08:57:13 AND YOU GO BACK TO DALE MABRY, BEAUTIFUL ROAD, NICE ROAD,
08:57:16 FOUR LANES ON EACH SIDE.
08:57:18 ONLY ONE PROBLEM, WHEN IT GOES TO WEST TAMPA, WHAT DO YOU
08:57:22 HAVE?
08:57:23 ALL THE LAND HAS BEEN TAKEN ON THIS SIDE BY ENTITIES AND A
08:57:27 NICE BIG PARK, AL LOPEZ PARK.
08:57:30 THE OTHER SIDE AIRPORT FROM COLUMBUS DRIVE NORTH.
08:57:33 YOU CAN'T BUILD THERE.
08:57:35 SO YOU ARE LOSING WHAT YOU CAN BUILD ON BECAUSE YOU CAN'T
08:57:39 BUILD ON.
08:57:39 IT IS ALREADY TAKEN BY SOMETHING ELSE.
08:57:41 SOME WHAT I AM SAYING, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD?
08:57:46 YOU ONLY CAN BUILD IN WEST TAMPA NOW.
08:57:48 NO EMPTY NOT, JUST TEAR DOWNS.
08:57:52 I HATE TO SAY THAT.
08:57:53 WEST TAMPA IS HAVING A PROBLEM NOW WITH TRAFFIC.
08:57:59 COMING ON GREEN STREET FROM THE INTERSTATE WHEN THEY EXIT OR
08:58:03 COMING UP -- ON THE RAMP.
08:58:05 YOU SEE THE RAMP, AND YOU WANT TO RAMP UP TO CATCH UP THE
08:58:10 CARS DRIVING 50 MILES PER HOUR AND NEIGHBORHOOD IS GETTING
08:58:13 HALFWAY DESTROYED BECAUSE OF THE SPEED.
08:58:15 WE ARE WORK ON THIS.
08:58:16 OTHER AREAS -- YOU LOOK AT LOIS AVENUE.
08:58:19 AND YOU LOOK AT BACK OF -- OF HOME DEPOT, WHAT DO YOU HAVE
08:58:23 THERE?
08:58:24 A BOTTLENECK ALL THE WAY DOWN FROM DALE MABRY ALL THE WAY
08:58:30 DOWN FROM -- TO THE END WHEN YOU GET TO THE ROAD THAT HAS
08:58:38 GOT ABOUT FIVE NAMES.
08:58:39 COLUMBUS DRIVE SOUTH BECOMES SPRUCE.
08:58:43 YOU HAVE ALL THAT ROAD AND YOU HAVE EVERY SINGLE ROAD
08:58:46 CLOGGED UP.
08:58:48 GO TO WHERE MISS SANCHEZ LIVING, THE CUT-THRU TRAFFIC IS
08:58:52 UNBELIEVABLE.
08:58:53 GO TO CYPRESS AND THE ROAD WITH WHERE MISS SANCHEZ LIVES, A
08:58:59 BLOCK BEFORE ALESSI BAKERY, FOUR-WAY STOP.
08:59:03 ALWAYS HAD A FOUR-WAY STOP.
08:59:05 IF THEY HAD A STOP, YOU CAN'T GO.
08:59:06 EVERY ROAD IS HAS TRAFFIC IN WEST TAMPA.
08:59:10 NOT OPPOSED LOOKING AT SOMETHING AND PUTTING SOMETHING UP
08:59:14 WHERE IT CAN BE DONE.
08:59:15 NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT VERY, VERY FEW SPOTS LEFT FOR
08:59:19 WHATEVER REASON, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS.
08:59:21 IF YOU LOOK AT DALE MABRY, YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE
08:59:24 NOT GOING TO TEAR DOWN AL LOPEZ PARK TO BUILD A HOUSE.
08:59:28 HIMES AVENUE MAY HAVE SOME POSSIBILITIES.
08:59:31 BUT THAT IS ABOUT THE ONLY ONE.
08:59:33 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
08:59:34 I AM NOT RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
08:59:36 [LAUGHTER]
08:59:41 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S --
08:59:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: UNLESS I CHANGE MY MIND.
08:59:44 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ONE OUT OF THE SIX THAT ARE OUT HERE.
08:59:46 REST OF THEM ARE STILL UNDECLARED.
08:59:49 IT IS UP TO ME.
08:59:51 AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT HAVEN'T SPOKE.
08:59:55 A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS AND THEN SUGGESTION.
08:59:58 SOME THINGS IN PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:00:00 ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE SCHOOL CONGESTION.
09:00:03 WE GO RIGHT BACK AT -- I HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT
09:00:06 TALLAHASSEE ALL DAY TODAY.
09:00:07 MONEY CUTBACKS TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
09:00:10 THEY HAVE TAKEN BUSES AWAY, SCHOOL BUSES.
09:00:14 IF YOU LIVE WITHIN TWO MILES OF A SCHOOL, KIDS NO LONGER GET
09:00:18 BUSES.
09:00:18 DOESN'T MATTER HOW DANGEROUS THE STREETS ARE BETWEEN THE
09:00:22 STREETS AND THE SCHOOL.
09:00:23 FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE SOUTH TAMPA AREA, DAVIS ISLANDS, KIDS
09:00:28 HAVE TO GO TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
09:00:29 AND WHICH IS NOT THAT FAR BUT CLOSE ENOUGH, THEIR PARENTS
09:00:32 HAVE TO DRIVE THEM BECAUSE IT IS -- THEY ARE OUTSIDE TWO
09:00:36 MILES.
09:00:36 SO ALL THESE CARS THAT ARE BEING GENERATED TO TAKE ONE
09:00:40 KID, ONE ADULT, ONE CAR.
09:00:41 FOR EVERY KID INSTEAD OF THESE KIDS BEING ON A BUS.
09:00:45 THIS IS HAPPENING ALL OVER THE CITY AND GO RIGHT BACK TO
09:00:49 TALLAHASSEE BECAUSE THEY ARE UNDERFUNDING OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL
09:00:52 SYSTEM.
09:00:53 OTHER THINGS TO TALK ABOUT.
09:00:54 WE ALWAYS HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT -- EVEN THE FOLKS IN
09:00:57 HERE THAT DON'T WANT TAMPA TO CHANGE OR WANT ANY ADDITIONAL
09:01:01 DENSITY -- IS URBAN SPRAWL.
09:01:03 PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM OR ANYBODY WHO HAS BEEN IN THIS ROOM
09:01:07 TONIGHT WOULD ARGUE THE FACT IT IS DETRIMENTAL TO OUR
09:01:12 ENVIRONMENT.
09:01:12 DETRIMENTAL TO ANY KIND OF CONCEPT OF URBAN PLANNING TO
09:01:16 ENCOURAGE URBAN SPRAWL, TAKING OUR AREAS IN THE COUNTY THAT
09:01:20 ARE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE, YOU KNOW WITH THE PRESSURES
09:01:23 THAT WE HAVE THERE.
09:01:25 AND REALLY VERY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT PROMOTES PEOPLE
09:01:28 LIVING FURTHER AND FURTHER.
09:01:29 AGAIN, MORE CAR TIME.
09:01:31 MORE EXHAUST.
09:01:32 MORE POLLUTION IN THE AIR.
09:01:34 QUALITY OF LIFETIME BECAUSE IT TAKES PEOPLE AWAY.
09:01:39 SOME OF THIS DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE TONIGHT -- AND WE HAVE
09:01:42 TALK OF TRYING TO ABSORB DENSITY AND BUILDING IN THE RIGHT
09:01:45 PLACES IS SO WE CAN AVOID URBAN SPRAWL.
09:01:48 MORE DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
09:01:50 AND PEOPLE CAN LIVE CLOSER TO THE CITY WHERE THEY WORK, PLAY
09:01:53 AND IMPROVE EVERYONE'S QUALITY OF LIFE.
09:01:54 I HEARD ABOUT THE EXISTING HOUSING STOCK AND REPURPOSING IT.
09:01:59 PART OF THE PROBLEM ON WEST SHORE AND DAVIS ISLANDS.
09:02:04 WE HAVE A FEMA 50% RULE.
09:02:07 OLD HOUSES WERE DAMAGED.
09:02:09 NOT REBUILT.
09:02:10 TORN DOWN.
09:02:12 DIRT IS SO EXPENSIVE AND BUILT UP AND MORE EXPENSIVE HOUSES.
09:02:15 NOT SOMETHING TO SOLVE.
09:02:17 IT IS A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROBLEM, NOT OUR PROBLEM, A
09:02:21 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROBLEM WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
09:02:23 WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE HERE?
09:02:24 YOU KNOW THERE IS GOING TO BE A PROPOSAL IN TALLAHASSEE FOR
09:02:28 THE TAMPA TRANSIT AUTHORITY.
09:02:30 YOU KNOW WHAT, I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW GIVE A 51% CHANCE OF IT
09:02:35 BEING TRUE.
09:02:35 SO WE HAVE TO MAKE -- WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR WHATEVER IS COMING
09:02:39 OUR WAY.
09:02:39 AND IF THAT HAPPENS, TAMPA IS GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT
09:02:42 MORE CONTROL OVER WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE TRANSIT WITHIN THE
09:02:45 CITY OF TAMPA.
09:02:45 AND WE NEED -- YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE, AND
09:02:49 YOU HAVE TO PLAN.
09:02:49 BECAUSE THE SAME PEOPLE SITTING IN THIS ROOM TONIGHT 20
09:02:53 YEARS FROM NOW WILL GO, WHY DIDN'T THEY PLAN FOR THIS?
09:02:56 WHY DIDN'T THEY ACCOMMODATE FOR THIS?
09:02:59 THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER.
09:03:00 PLANNING COMMISSION AND WHAT ALL OF Y'ALL ARE DOING, JUST
09:03:04 REMEMBER, WE HAVE TO MAKE A PLAN.
09:03:05 WE HAVE TO MAKE A PLAN.
09:03:06 BONUS DENSITY IS INTERESTING, BECAUSE THERE IS A PART OF ME
09:03:11 THAT REALLY -- I THINK I WOULD HAVE TO HEAR FROM MY FELLOW
09:03:14 COUNCIL PERSONS ABOUT THIS.
09:03:16 BUT PART OF ME I AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT OF NOT HAVING EITHER
09:03:20 BONUS DENSITY BECAUSE OF THE COST OF THE DEVELOPER AND THE
09:03:24 COST -- WHICH INCREASES THE COST OF HOUSING.
09:03:26 REMEMBER, IT IS NOT JUST THE COST TO THE DEVELOPER BUT THE
09:03:29 COST OF THE PERSON BUYING THAT HOUSE AND RENTING THAT PLACE
09:03:32 AND DRIVING THOSE COSTS UP.
09:03:34 I ALSO GET -- I GET THE FACT THAT GIVING -- GIVING -- GIVING
09:03:38 STUFF -- I WAS GOING TO SAY A BAD WORD -- GIVING STUFF AWAY
09:03:42 FOR FREE.
09:03:43 AND AGAIN, I THINK I NEED TO HEAR FROM MY COUNCIL PERSON
09:03:46 ABOUT THAT OF WHAT THEY ARE THINKING.
09:03:48 OTHER ISSUE.
09:03:49 I HAVE SEEN THIS PICTURE A COUPLE OF TIMES FROM MISS POYNOR
09:03:54 AND CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
09:03:55 SHOW THE TOWN HOUSES AND SMALLER UNIT NEXT TO IT.
09:03:57 I THINK WHAT STANDS OUT THERE, THOUGH, THAT UNIT NEXT TO IT
09:04:00 IS AGING HOUSE STOCK.
09:04:02 AND UNLESS IT IS BEING REALLY REMARKABLE AND POUR A LOT OF
09:04:07 MONEY INTO IT LIKE THE REHABS YOU SEE HYDE PARK, THE AGING
09:04:13 HOUSING STOCK WILL, TORN AND REBUILT.
09:04:16 ONLY X NUMBER OF YEARS IN THEIR LIFE CYCLE AND COST OF REHAB
09:04:20 ON SOME OF THIS STUFF IS TOO MUCH.
09:04:21 THE DIRT IS TOO EXPENSIVE.
09:04:23 THESE HOUSES ARE GOING TO BE TORN DOWN.
09:04:25 PLANS THAT WE ARE CREATING HAVE TO, AT LEAST, AGAIN LOOK AFTER
09:04:29 THE FACT THAT A LOT OF THE STUFF, THERE IS AN AGE.
09:04:32 AND IT IS GOING TO BE TORN DOWN.
09:04:33 HOW IS THIS STUFF GOING TO GET REBUILT?
09:04:36 I HEARD ALIGNING TRANSIT PLANS, FUTURE LAND USE AND LAND
09:04:41 DEVELOPMENT CODE.
09:04:41 A LOT OF STUFF -- I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
09:04:44 A BIG ADVOCATE OF COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS BUT A LOT IS IN THE
09:04:49 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND NOT NECESSARILY THE FUTURE LAND
09:04:51 USE.
09:04:51 WE NEED TO AT LEAST CONCEPTUALLY IDENTIFY THE AREAS THAT WE
09:04:56 BELIEVE WILL BE VIABLE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
09:04:58 IF WE NEED TO MAKE FUTURE LAND USE CODE MODIFICATIONS BASED
09:05:03 ON THOSE IDENTIFIED AREAS, I THINK A LOT OF THAT IS THE LAND
09:05:07 DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH WE ARE WORKING ON, BY THE WAY, AS WE
09:05:11 SPEAK.
09:05:11 COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HIT IT, R-10 AND R-20.
09:05:15 A LOT OF THIS STUFF -- SO MUCH OF THE COMMENT WE GOT TONIGHT
09:05:18 ABOUT THOSE ISSUES ARE, IT IS ALREADY THERE BY RIGHT.
09:05:24 THE USE ALREADY EXISTS.
09:05:26 IN SOME WAYS THIS KIND OF NARROWS -- AT LEAST MORE CLEARLY
09:05:30 DEFINES BECAUSE THE SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED DESIGNATION
09:05:35 VERSUS WHAT CAN BE THERE NOW.
09:05:37 A LOT OF THOSE AREAS YOU SEE -- I WAS LOOKING AT ONE OF THE
09:05:40 MAPS THEY WERE SHOWING US BETWEEN MacDILL AND THE CROSSTOWN,
09:05:44 I MEAN, THAT AREA IS COMPLETELY MIXED DEVELOPMENT.
09:05:47 THERE ARE APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT ARE 80, 90 YEARS OLD AND
09:05:52 OTHER -- AND TOWN HOUSES AND SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES.
09:05:56 THAT USE ALREADY EXISTS IN THAT AREA.
09:05:58 THAT IS KIND OF LEFT -- THAT -- THAT HORSE HAS LEFT THE
09:06:01 STABLE.
09:06:01 I DON'T HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OF THE F.A.R. DENSITY BUT I KNOW
09:06:09 THAT A QUAGMIRE AND QUICKSAND, AND I AM NOT QUITE SURE HOW TO
09:06:13 GET PAST THAT.
09:06:13 ONLY THING I MAKE AS CONCRETE SUGGESTION IS THE
09:06:18 TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS.
09:06:19 I WOULD LIKE TO NARROW THE SCOPE ON THAT.
09:06:21 I AM GOING TO THROW OUT STREET NAMES AND IDEAS THAT COUNCIL
09:06:24 CAN CHEW ON AND SEE IF I AM EITHER MISSING SOMETHING OR
09:06:28 MAYBE OUT OF WHACK.
09:06:29 I BELIEVE THAT FLORIDA AND NEBRASKA ARE BOTH CANDIDATES TO
09:06:33 BE DESIGNATED AS TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS.
09:06:38 BUSCH BOULEVARD, HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE, FOWLER EAST OF 275,
09:06:43 KENNEDY BOULEVARD, DALE MABRY NORTH OF KENNEDY, 40th STREET,
09:06:49 SOUTH OF THE RIVER, FOWLER.
09:06:54 WHAT DID I SAY.
09:06:55 BUSCH BOULEVARD, SORRY, BUSCH BOULEVARD.
09:06:59 AND HOWARD AVENUE.
09:07:06 I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY WE HAVEN'T LANED THE STREETS BACK.
09:07:11 I DON'T GET IT.
09:07:12 HOWARD AND ARMENIA BEING ONE-WAY STREETS.
09:07:15 I DON'T THINK IT IS GOOD FOR COMMERCIAL OR THE PEOPLE, BUT
09:07:17 ONE DAY THIS COUNCIL SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE THAT OUT.
09:07:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DESIGN OF THE INTERSTATE COMING THROUGH
09:07:22 AND FDOT TO MANAGE THE TRAFFIC.
09:07:24 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION
09:07:29 ABOUT HOW WE CAN GET -- UNWIND THAT SITUATION AT SOME POINT.
09:07:33 BUT THOSE ARE THE STREETS THAT I IDENTIFY AS AREAS THAT
09:07:36 PROBABLY CAN BE -- WOULD ACCOMMODATE -- REASONABLY
09:07:39 ACCOMMODATE.
09:07:39 BECAUSE I STARTED THINKING OF CONSENSUALLY BRTs -- MAYBE
09:07:45 PROPOSALS WE ARE LOOKING AT.
09:07:46 THE TRANSPORTATION THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT BETWEEN THE
09:07:48 AIRPORT AND DOWNTOWN.
09:07:49 POTENTIAL TRANSPORTATION WE ARE LOOKING AT BETWEEN DOWNTOWN
09:07:52 AND FOWLER.
09:07:53 AND THE FOWLER CORRIDOR.
09:07:55 YOU KNOW WITH THE STADIUM GOING UP ON FOWLER AND THINGS
09:07:58 HAPPENING UP THERE, THERE IS GOING TO BE -- WE ARE BUILDING
09:08:01 THE DEMAND ALREADY.
09:08:02 AND SO THAT'S HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK.
09:08:04 OBVIOUSLY WITH BUSCH GARDENS AND THE INTENSITY THAT WE HAVE
09:08:09 ALONG BUSCH.
09:08:09 HILLSBOROUGH, WE ALREADY SEE SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT WITH
09:08:12 THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE STEPS.
09:08:16 THAT SEEMS REASONABLE
09:08:18 LOOKING FOR DENSITY IN EAST TAMPA AND SOME OF WHAT WE
09:08:24 ARE LOOK AT FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADDITIONAL HOUSING AND
09:08:28 ADDITIONAL INTENSITY OF HOUSING.
09:08:29 SO I WILL LEAVE THAT FOR DISCUSSION.
09:08:32 AND I WILL FINISH THERE.
09:08:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU MENTIONED HOWARD.
09:08:35 WHO HAD THE MIKE ON FIRST --
09:08:40 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WAS THINKING HOWARD.
09:08:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOWARD WHERE?
09:08:44 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOWARD NORTH OF KENNEDY.
09:08:47 MY NOTE THAT I COULDN'T READ.
09:08:48 WHAT WAS THAT SCRIBBLE.
09:08:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO PAST THE JCC CIGAR FACTORY, ACROSS
09:08:55 INTERSTATE AND MAIN STREET, YOU GO INTO DOWNTOWN WEAPONS
09:08:58 TAMPA AND A LOT OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
09:09:00 GO TO A HISTORIC ROOMING HOUSE THAT IS BRICK.
09:09:04 A LOT OF HISTORIC.
09:09:06 THE WEST TAMPA HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT MAKES UP 800 TO 900
09:09:13 BUILDINGS -- THAT IS WHERE THE STREETCAR WENT BACK IN THE
09:09:16 DAY.
09:09:16 I DON'T WANT TO PUT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES IN DANGER.
09:09:19 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
09:09:21 I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT TOO.
09:09:23 TALKING OF SOME OF THE ISSUES OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
09:09:26 REMEMBER WE STILL HAVE THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
09:09:29 IF IT IS IN THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION OR
09:09:32 HISTORICAL DISTRICT.
09:09:33 THOSE THINGS SUPERSEDE ALL OF THIS TOO.
09:09:35 ALWAYS REMEMBER, WE HAVE THESE LITTLE SAFETY SWITCHES BUILT
09:09:39 IN.
09:09:39 SO IF YOU ARE IN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT OR SEMINOLE
09:09:44 HEIGHTS OVERLAY DISTRICT AND HYDE PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW
09:09:49 COMMISSION DISTRICT.
09:09:50 ALL INTEREST TO GO THROUGH THAT AS WELL.
09:09:53 IT IS A SAFETY SWITCH.
09:09:54 >>LYNN HURTAK: WELL, TO SOME DEGREE.
09:09:57 >> MAY UP CLARIFY ONE THING OF WEST TAMPA --
09:10:03 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STATE YOUR NAME.
09:10:04 >>EVAN JOHNSON: SORRY, EVAN JOHNSON.
09:10:06 EVAN ROSS JOHNSON.
09:10:09 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A VERY GOOD FRIEND AND THAT'S
09:10:12 HIS NAME.
09:10:13 >> -- CITY PLANNING.
09:10:15 JUST ABOUT WEST TAMPA -- THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY DOES HELP
09:10:19 MODIFY FORM AND MAKE IT FIT INTO THE HISTORIC FABRIC BETTER,
09:10:24 MORE CLEARLY; HOWEVER, THERE AREN'T ACTUAL HISTORIC
09:10:28 PRESERVATION PROTECTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
09:10:30 IT IS NOT A LOCAL DISTRICT.
09:10:32 IT IS A NATIONAL DISTRICT, IT DOES HAVE INVENTORY --
09:10:36 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE PROTECTED?
09:10:39 >>EVAN JOHNSON: A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS -- THAT IS UNTRUE -- A
09:10:42 COUPLE OF LANDMARK BUILDINGS, I DON'T HAVE THE LIST IN FRONT
09:10:46 OF ME FIVE OR LESS.
09:10:47 BUT SEVERAL HUNDRED THAT ARE NOT PROTECTED.
09:10:49 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE NEED TO FIX THAT.
09:10:51 >>EVAN JOHNSON: THAT IS NOT TONIGHT'S MEETING.
09:10:53 [LAUGHTER]
09:10:54 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OH, NO NOT.
09:10:56 [LAUGHTER]
09:11:01 -- OH WHY NOT?
09:11:03 [LAUGHTER]
09:11:04 >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE THIS CONVERSATION AND
09:11:07 TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR.
09:11:07 THE ONES YOU MENTIONED ARE MINE, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY ARE
09:11:11 TOWN HOUSE CORRIDORS.
09:11:13 THEY ARE TRANSIT CORRIDORS.
09:11:14 THE TOWN HOMES IN THE DENSE -- THE AREAS THAT WANT THE IT
09:11:18 DENSITY, WE WILL BE WANTING QUADS IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK.
09:11:21 THAT IS WHY I AM SAYING THE TOWN HOME -- GETTING RID OF JUST
09:11:26 THAT SMALL STRIP AND GOING BACK TO TOWN HOMES OR TOWN HOME
09:11:32 APPROPRIATE TYPE STYLE IS IT ALREADY IN R-10 IN -- IN
09:11:38 APPROPRIATE AREAS.
09:11:39 WE ALREADY HAVE THE LANGUAGE IN THERE.
09:11:41 AND WE HAVE MODERATED THAT AS COUNCIL.
09:11:44 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET ME ASK FOR CLARIFICATION.
09:11:48 I GUESS MAYBE I AM JUST GETTING HUNG UP ON A PARADIGM IN MY
09:11:52 OWN HEAD ABOUT THIS TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS.
09:11:55 >>LYNN HURTAK: TRANSIT AND TOWN HOMES ARE TWO DIFFERENT
09:11:58 THINGS.
09:11:59 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WASN'T JUST TALKING OF TOWN HOUSES.
09:12:01 >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT YOU SAID TOWN HOUSES.
09:12:03 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A WHOLE DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS.
09:12:05 >> I HEARD THAT YOU WERE LISTING OUT THE TRANSIT-READY
09:12:11 CORRIDOR.
09:12:12 >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, THEN I MISUNDERSTOOD.
09:12:16 OKAY, THEN I GUESS I RESCIND THAT COMMENT.
09:12:19 YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT BONUSES.
09:12:22 AND WE HAVE THIS INTERESTING BONUS STRUCTURE WHERE IF UP
09:12:25 PROVIDE SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU CAN GET MORE DENSITY.
09:12:30 AND I -- I WOULD BE -- I WOULD -- I WOULD NOT WANT TO GET
09:12:34 RID OF THAT.
09:12:34 EVEN IF THAT IS THE ONLY BONUS STRUCTURE WE GET, I FEEL LIKE
09:12:38 THAT IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY INCENTIVIZES PEOPLE TO BUILD
09:12:44 HOUSING WE NEED, BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, IN THESE CASES, WE
09:12:49 ARE GETTING, LIKE, 10% TO 20% OF UNITS, BUT IT IS 10% OR 20%
09:12:54 MORE UNITS THAN WE HAD.
09:12:55 AND I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING WE CAN
09:12:59 AFFORD TO TAKE AWAY THAT BONUS AND JUST DO BY RIGHT DENSITY.
09:13:04 I AGREE WITH BY RIGHT DENSITY AND ENCOURAGING IT.
09:13:07 AND ALONG SOME OF THESE CORRIDORS LIKE THE DEVELOPER SAID
09:13:11 WHEN HE CAME IN REALLY WANTING TO BE ABLE DO SO IN THE
09:13:16 6,000-SQUARE-FOOT LOTS, BUT I -- I JUST -- I WOULD BE -- I
09:13:22 NEVER WANT TO TAKE AWAY ANYTHING THAT WOULD INCENTIVIZE MORE
09:13:27 AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
09:13:27 ESPECIALLY LOWER AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
09:13:29 AND THE BONUS STRUCTURE THAT WE CREATED REALLY GIVES YOU UP
09:13:33 TO 100% DENSITY FOR OFFERING HOUSING WITHIN THE 30 TO 50%
09:13:39 AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
09:13:41 THAT IS CRITICAL.
09:13:42 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE
09:13:45 AN ANALYSIS OF HOW MUCH WE ARE GETTING THAT WHETHER OR NOT
09:13:48 PAYING FOR WITH CRA SUBSIDIES OR FEDERAL MONEY.
09:13:52 >>LYNN HURTAK: WE HAVEN'T ALLOWED IT.
09:13:54 THAT IS WHY WE ARE NOT DOING IT.
09:13:56 ALL WE ALLOW IS 10% AND WE ARE NOT GETTING WERE.
09:13:59 THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR IT --
09:14:01 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: REMEMBER 80%.
09:14:02 AT MARKET RATE.
09:14:03 >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS WHAT THE GOAL IS, YOU PROVIDE
09:14:07 HOUSING.
09:14:07 50% OR BELOW, YOU CAN GET UP TO 100% DENSITY BONUS.
09:14:12 THAT IS INSANE.
09:14:13 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS ANYBODY GOING TO DO THAT OR AFFORD FOR
09:14:17 DO THAT?
09:14:18 >> THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION AND THE COST OF DIRT, SOMETHING
09:14:21 THAT IS PRACTICAL?
09:14:22 >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU ARE GETTING WAY MORE UNITS THAN ANY OTHER
09:14:24 WAY.
09:14:25 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS GUY PUTS OUT RFPs.
09:14:28 >>EVAN JOHNSON: EVAN JOHNSON, CITY PLANNING.
09:14:30 COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT THE BONUS TO COUNCILWOMAN'S POINT,
09:14:35 YES, THE NORTH CAROLINA LEVELS THAT YOU ARE SUPPORTING GO
09:14:39 DOWN, MORE BONUS TO OFFSET THE COST.
09:14:41 ORIGINALLY CALIBRATED THE BONUSES, MOST OF THE COMP PLAN
09:14:47 BASICALLY SETS THE -- KIND OF THE OVERALL FRAMEWORK.
09:14:50 GOING TO BE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WHERE WE ACTUALLY
09:14:52 COME IN THERE AND SAY THIS AMI LEVEL, ETC., ETC.
09:14:57 DETAILS IN THERE.
09:14:58 THE PROCESS IS GOING TO BE IN THERE.
09:15:01 SOMETHING ON OUR LIST ONCE THE COMP PLAN GETS MOVING, WE ARE
09:15:04 GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT AND BRING OUT OF THE DETAILS.
09:15:07 BECAUSE IT IS TRUE, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A 10% SET ASIDE.
09:15:10 ONLY PLACE WE WILL GET A LOT OF THOSE THAT WILL BE COMMITTED
09:15:14 TO IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT SOME OF THOSE.
09:15:16 RIGHT AROUND THAT CDB PERIPHERY WHERE WE HAVE THE
09:15:21 SUBSTANTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
09:15:22 ONE THING I WANT TO MENTION ALSO.
09:15:24 WHEN WE DEVELOP THE DRAFT AND WHAT HAS BEEN DRAFTED IN THE
09:15:27 CODE THUS FAR DONE AT A TIME.
09:15:30 A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO AND DONE BASED ON CURRENT MARKET
09:15:34 TRENDS AT THAT MOMENT.
09:15:35 WE USED CONSTRUCTION COST AND TYPICAL RATE OF RETURN.
09:15:40 LOOK AT COSTS BY THE CITY.
09:15:42 AND WE DO OUR BEST TO CALIBRATE AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE WITH
09:15:45 THE UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERYTHING CHANGES MONTH TO MONTH.
09:15:48 THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT MARKET FEASIBLE.
09:15:51 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MAYBE ONE TIME SIT DOWN OVER A CUP OF
09:15:56 COFFEE AND WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE.
09:15:58 COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
09:15:59 >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO COMMENT ON THE CORRIDOR THING, BUT
09:16:04 QUICKLY ON THE BONUS DENSITY.
09:16:07 WHEN I TALKED TO THE FOLKS IN CHANNEL DISTRICT, IF WE HAVE
09:16:16 GIVEN BY RIGHT TO BUILD UP TO THE CDB, WOULD HAVE MISSED
09:16:20 OUT.
09:16:20 AND THE ONLY WAY WE COULD WORK OUT SOMETHING OR THEY COULD
09:16:24 WORK OUT SOMETHING TO HAVE A BONUS DENSITY.
09:16:26 THE COMPLAINT THAT EVERYBODY GIVES, IT TAKES AN EXTRA FEW
09:16:30 MONTHS AND A LOT MORE MONEY.
09:16:32 WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF UNITS NOW.
09:16:34 AND THE CAPITAL MARKETS ARE REALLY DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO
09:16:39 BORROW MONEY TO BUILD.
09:16:40 AND THE BONUS DENSITY SLOW PEOPLE DOWN.
09:16:43 IF WE CAN GET -- AND I AM MAKING UP THE NUMBERS -- BUT IF
09:16:47 BONUS DENSITY GETS US 20 UNITS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE OR GET
09:16:52 200 UNITS AT MARKET RATES.
09:16:54 200 UNITS WILL KEEP THE PRICE DOWN AND GET TAXES FROM THEM
09:16:58 THAT WE CAN USE TO HELP PEOPLE MOVE INTO HOUSES.
09:17:00 AND SO -- I MEAN, I LIKE TO SEE AN ECONOMIC MODEL ON THAT IF
09:17:06 SOMEBODY WILL ARGUE FOR BONUS DENSITY.
09:17:08 I AM ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROPONENTS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING,
09:17:12 BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS RIGHT HALL TO.
09:17:14 I THINK THIS IS A TERRIBLE TOOL BECAUSE LIMITING THE NUMBER
09:17:17 OF UNITS IN OUR COMMUNION.
09:17:19 IF WE HAVE A PIECE OF LAND AND BUILD AN EXTRA 20 UNITS WHY
09:17:22 WOULD WE NOT WANT TO DO THAT TO HAVE PEOPLE JUMP THROUGH
09:17:25 HOOPS.
09:17:26 ON THE CORRIDORS -- SORRY, A LONG NIGHT.
09:17:29 ON THE CORRIDORS, I THINK THE ONES YOU MENTIONED READY KIND
09:17:32 OF THE RIGHT ONES.
09:17:33 I MENTIONED KENNEDY IN THE PAST.
09:17:35 AND I HAVE GOTTEN CHEWED OUT BECAUSE OF IT.
09:17:38 SO --
09:17:40 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF WE --
09:17:42 >>BILL CARLSON: YOU HEARD THE FEEDBACK ABOUT HOWARD.
09:17:45 WHAT WOULD SUGGEST BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T PUNT THAT OUT IN THE
09:17:48 PUBLIC YET, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU PUT THAT OUT AS
09:17:52 A QUESTION INSTEAD OF PATCH MANDATE.
09:17:55 PUT IT OUT AS A QUESTION AND THAT LIST TO THE PLANNING
09:18:01 COMMISSION, WHEN YOU GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC, CAN YOU ASK THE
09:18:04 PUBLIC WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THIS LIST SO WE CAN GET
09:18:07 FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC SO WE ARE NOT MANDATE WHAT THE
09:18:11 PUBLIC THINKS ABOUT OF IT.
09:18:12 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK -- OH, COUNCIL MEMBER
09:18:15 MIRANDA.
09:18:15 YOUR MIKE IS ALWAYS ON.
09:18:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ON AND OFF.
09:18:21 AND I KNOW YOU ARE HALF-BLIND.
09:18:22 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ONLY HALF.
09:18:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ANYWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR.
09:18:27 CHAIRMAN.
09:18:27 AND THERE ARE TWO THOUGHTS -- ONE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP
09:18:31 RECENTLY ABOUT THE BONUS AND ONE THAT IS NOT BONUS.
09:18:34 THAT IS FINE.
09:18:35 EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OPINIONS.
09:18:36 IF YOU BUILD THEM WITHOUT A BONUS, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ONES
09:18:40 STILL LOOKING FOR A BONUS?
09:18:42 THEY WILL NEVER LIVE ANYWHERE.
09:18:43 YOU SEE, WHERE I COME FROM, PONCE DeLEON HOUSING PROJECTS.
09:18:54 I DON'T KNOW WHO BUILT THEM, BUT THEY WERE GREAT.
09:18:56 WHEN PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE HOT WATER -- I HAD A HOT WATER SOLAR
09:19:00 SYSTEM UP IN THE '50s.
09:19:02 WE WEREN'T BEHIND.
09:19:03 A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TAMPA DIDN'T HAVE HOT WATER UNLESS THEY
09:19:11 PAID FOR IT WITH ELECTRIC BILL OF BILL.
09:19:15 WE GOT IT FOR ME.
09:19:16 YOU WOULD TAKE A SHOWER AND TUB.
09:19:20 WE HAD A SHOWER AND GAS HEATER.
09:19:22 I NEVER HAD A GAS HEATER IN MY LIFE UNTIL I MOVED INTO A
09:19:26 HOUSING PROJECT.
09:19:26 ALL I HAD WAS A FURNACE IN THE HOUSE.
09:19:29 AND SOOT ALL OVER THE HOUSE.
09:19:32 A LITTLE HEATER WITH A HOT POT AND BOIL WATER.
09:19:34 I AM SEEING SOME YESES HERE.
09:19:38 THAT IS WHAT IT WAS.
09:19:39 FILET MIGNON.
09:19:42 WE DIDN'T -- YOU KNOW WHAT, NOW YOU CAN AFFORD IT AND
09:19:48 THE DOCTOR DOESN'T -- AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE GOVERNMENT IS
09:19:52 GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD IT.
09:19:53 THAT'S ALL.
09:19:54 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:19:55 >>LYNN HURTAK: AND I HEARD SOME TALKING IN MEETINGS.
09:19:59 AND I DON'T DISAGREE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE MEETINGS, BUT
09:20:03 AFTER THIS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION REALLY NEEDS SOME TIME
09:20:08 TO RECONSIDER AND STUDY TO HELP THE PUBLIC WE NEED TO GIVE
09:20:18 DRINK, LET THEM DO THAT DIRECTION, AND THEN CONSIDER MEETING
09:20:22 -- I DON'T DISAGREE COMING FORWARD IDEALLY AFTER BUDGET
09:20:26 SEASON TO TELL US THE PLAN TO GO FORWARD.
09:20:28 LET US GET THROUGH BUDGET SEASON.
09:20:30 LET YOU ALL GET, YOU KNOW, YOUR HAND AROUND THIS TO JUST
09:20:34 LOOK AT.
09:20:36 BUT -- I -- I WANT TO SEE -- I WANT TO GIVE THE PLANNING
09:20:41 COMMISSION TIME TO ABSORB THIS AND REALLY LOOK AT THE CHANGE
09:20:45 AND REALLY TAKE OUR DIRECTION OF -- OF LOOK IN SPECIFIC
09:20:49 AREAS MORE -- MORE STRONGLY.
09:20:52 AND I THINK THAT WE WILL GET A LOT MORE THERE.
09:20:54 AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I MENTIONED THAT, BECAUSE
09:20:57 THAT IS SOMETHING ON MY MIND.
09:20:59 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW ABOUT WE -- I WILL MAKE THIS MOTION
09:21:03 FOR THIS TRANSIT CORRIDORS -- HIGH TEMPERATURE HURTAK NO,
09:21:05 NO.
09:21:06 BUT -- WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IS --
09:21:09 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GIVE THE DIRECTION THUS FAR AND KNOCK THIS
09:21:12 OUT RIGHT NOW.
09:21:14 >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY NEED SHOP TIME TO GET IT ALL TOGETHER TO
09:21:19 GET A MOTION.
09:21:19 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK YOU WANT DIRECTION FIRST, DON'T
09:21:23 YOU?
09:21:24 >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
09:21:25 >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS COMING FROM YOU, NOT THE PUBLIC.
09:21:28 THEY WILL SUMMARIZE WHAT HAD THE PUBLIC SAYS.
09:21:31 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THING IS APPROPRIATE.
09:21:33 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RESTRICT THE TRANSIT-READY
09:21:38 CORRIDORS -- HOW WOULD I SAY THAT -- HIGH TEMPERATURE HURTAK
09:21:41 WE WANT THEM TO RESEARCH IT.
09:21:43 TALK ABOUT LOOKING AT IT.
09:21:45 >>BILL CARLSON: ASKING THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GET PUBLIC
09:21:47 FEEDBACK.
09:21:48 >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, NO, NOT PUBLIC FEEDBACK.
09:21:52 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY ALREADY HAVE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS
09:21:55 IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
09:21:56 I WANT TO DELETE EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THESE CORRIDORS.
09:21:59 SO IF IT IS NOT ON THIS LIST, I WANT IT DELETED FROM THE
09:22:04 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
09:22:06 >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT IF THEY LOOK AND SEARCH ANOTHER ONE.
09:22:08 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEN THEY CAN COME BACK TO US.
09:22:11 >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT SAYING THESE ARE THE ONLY ONES, SAYING
09:22:13 THESE.
09:22:13 AND IF -- IF THERE ARE OTHERS, LET US KNOW.
09:22:16 THESE ARE THE ONES WE DEFINITELY WANT.
09:22:19 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY CAN COME BACK TO US TOO.
09:22:21 BUT RIGHT NOW THIS IS A STARTING POINT.
09:22:23 DELETE ALL EXCEPT FOR FLORIDA, NEBRASKA, BUSCH,
09:22:29 HILLSBOROUGH, FOWLER, EAST OF 275, KENNEDY BOULEVARD,
09:22:35 BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THE TRANSIT IS GOING TO GO TAMPA
09:22:38 INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT AND DOWNTOWN.
09:22:41 DALE MABRY NORTH OF KENNEDY.
09:22:43 AND -- I TOOK HOWARD OFF BECAUSE OF OPPOSITION.
09:22:49 40th STREET SOUTH OF THE RIVER.
09:22:51 >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT ABOUT 15th?
09:22:53 AND WHAT ABOUT 30th?
09:22:57 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: SO PERHAPS, IF I MAY.
09:22:58 PERHAPS THE MOTION IS THAT -- THAT THOSE CORRIDORS BE THE
09:23:02 STARTING POINT, AND THAT WE -- THEN LOOK AT WHETHER -- AND
09:23:09 BRING BACK WHETHER ANY OTHERS SHOULD BE ADDED TO THAT LIST.
09:23:12 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT HI HEARD OVER AND OVER FROM THE
09:23:14 PUBLIC.
09:23:15 BRING IT DOWN.
09:23:16 YOU KNOW, PICK YOUR CORRIDORS.
09:23:18 PICK THEM.
09:23:19 THESE WERE THE CRITICAL ONES THAT I THINK LOOKED LIKE -- IF
09:23:23 --
09:23:24 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: I AGREE, BUT SOME IN EAST TAMPA.
09:23:31 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NEBRASKA AND 40th.
09:23:34 SO CAN WE START -- WOULD YOU LIKE -- I WILL TAKE A FRIENDLY
09:23:38 AMENDMENT TO ADD 157.
09:23:40 >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE TEN-MINUTE BREAK IS
09:23:42 FOR.
09:23:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WOULD SUGGEST -- THAT IS WHAT THE BREAK
09:23:46 IS FOR.
09:23:47 AND JUST A REMINDER UNDER ROBERTS RULES AND YOUR RULES, YOU
09:23:51 ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PASS THE GAVEL.
09:23:53 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I ALREADY DID.
09:24:00 >>LYNN HURTAK: I DIDN'T REALIZE.
09:24:03 LUIS.
09:24:04 I AM GOING WITH FIRST NAMES.
09:24:07 >>LUIS VIERA: THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
09:24:08 WE ARE FRIENDS.
09:24:09 WHAT WAS I GOING TO SAY.
09:24:11 THIS IS SUBJECT TO DISCUSSION OF UNIVERSITY SQUARE.
09:24:13 I DON'T THINK IT IS GOING TO BE OPPOSING THIS WHATSOEVER,
09:24:17 BUT SUBJECT TO DISCUSSION, UNIVERSITY SQUARE CIVIC
09:24:20 ASSOCIATION WILL BE HAVING -- I KNOW MICHELLE IS STILL
09:24:23 THERE.
09:24:23 SUBJECT TO THAT.
09:24:24 I KNOW THAT THE OBJECTION WAS TO THE -- MAN, I NEED BETTER
09:24:28 GLASSES, TO THE FOWLER AVENUE ACTIVITY CENTER.
09:24:31 BUT I WILL HAVE IT SUBJECT TO THAT.
09:24:37 WE WILL MAKE IT --
09:24:41 >>LYNN HURTAK: A SUGGESTION.
09:24:42 THAT'S WHY IT IS A SUGGESTION.
09:24:45 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AGAIN.
09:24:47 SO I HAD A MOTION FOR FLORIDA AND NEBRASKA, BUSCH,
09:24:51 HILLSBOROUGH, FOWLER EAST OF 275, DALE MABRY NORTH OF
09:24:56 KENNEDY, 40th STREET SOUTH OF THE RIVER, AND 15th STREET.
09:25:02 I AM FINE WITH THAT AS WELL, IF YOU WANTED TO ADD THAT.
09:25:05 I AM OKAY WITH THAT.
09:25:06 >>BILL CARLSON: YOU HAVE TO SAY BEGINNING OF IT AGAIN.
09:25:12 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ELIMINATE --
09:25:17 START OFF -- THESE WILL BE THE STARTING POINT -- THIS WILL
09:25:20 BE STARTING POINT OF TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS.
09:25:23 AND OF COURSE WE CAN ADD TO THEM IF THEY IDENTIFY FURTHER.
09:25:27 DURING THAT 15-MINUTE BREAK, IDENTIFY MORE.
09:25:30 NUMBER ONE THING I KEPT HEARING FROM THE PLANNING
09:25:33 COMMISSION, COUNCIL, JUST DON'T LEAVE US HANGING.
09:25:36 YOU WANT SPECIFIC DIRECTION.
09:25:39 FROM THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT AND PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE E-MAILS
09:25:42 I GET, THEY WANTED TO IDEA.
09:25:45 THEY WANTED TO CONTRACT.
09:25:46 THEY DIDN'T WANT EVERYTHING TO BE A TRANSIT-READY COO ARE
09:25:50 DOOR.
09:25:50 THEY WANTED TO CONTRACT.
09:25:53 THESE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT.
09:25:55 WHERE TO PUT THE BRT.
09:25:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND TO DISCUSS IT.
09:26:01 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MOTION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ONLY
09:26:09 REFLECT FLORIDA AVENUE, NEBRASKA, BUSH BOULEVARD,
09:26:16 HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE, FOWLER EAST OF I-275 ALREADY KENNEDY
09:26:21 BOULEVARD, DALE MABRY NORTH OF KENNEDY, 40th STREET SOUTH OF
09:26:25 HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, AND -- DID WE WANT TO ADD 15th STREET?
09:26:29 >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT FOR NOW, BUT MAYBE -- WE WILL TALK TO THE
09:26:31 PUBLIC THE BREAK.
09:26:33 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: -- AS TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS.
09:26:38 >> FOR STARTERS.
09:26:40 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOR STARTERS.
09:26:41 >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
09:26:43 ANY OTHER CONVERSATION?
09:26:45 OKAY.
09:26:45 DO WE WANT A ROLL CALL -- OR ALL IN FAVOR.
09:26:49 ANY OPPOSED?
09:26:51 OKAY.
09:26:52 AND THEN NOW I THINK WE SHOULD LET THE PLANNING COMMISSION
09:26:55 HAVE SOME TIME.
09:26:56 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED?
09:27:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: REALISTICALLY.
09:27:01 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: WE CAN TALK IN TEN MINUTES.
09:27:03 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU 15.
09:27:05 SO WE WILL BE BACK AT 9:45.
09:27:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:27:10 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY.
09:27:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A REMINDER THAT COUNCIL -- OKAY.
09:27:17 THANK YOU.
09:27:18 JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT IF YOU WERE GOING TO BE TALKING TO
09:27:20 MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, REMIND YOURSELVES THAT YOU ARE --
09:27:24 SUNSHINE STILL APPLIES.
09:27:29 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL CALL COUNCIL TO ORDER.
09:47:29 ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
09:47:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:47:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:47:33 >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
09:47:35 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
09:47:36 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:47:37 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
09:47:38 >>CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:47:41 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE LEFT OFF YOU WITH GUYS HAVING A POWWOW,
09:47:45 AND YOU ARE GOING TO BRING SOME SUGGESTIONS.
09:47:49 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS -- AND
09:47:52 I AM BREAKING THESE UP A BIT.
09:47:55 SO THE FIRST THING THAT IS A LIST OF POLICIES OR SECTIONS OF
09:48:02 THE PLAN THAT BASED ON PUBLIC COMMENT AND YOUR DISCUSSION,
09:48:10 WE WOULD LIKE -- IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR
09:48:14 US TO REVISIT THESE.
09:48:15 SO REVISIT ADOPTED IN IT THE CURRENT ADOPTED PLAN OBJECTIVE
09:48:23 9.4 AND 9.5, TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THINGS NEED TO BE ADDED
09:48:28 BACK INTO THIS DRAFT.
09:48:31 REVISIT THE FOWLER REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTER AND ITS BOUNDARY
09:48:36 WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH.
09:48:38 REVISIT POLICY 7.1.2, THAT IS ON PLAN AMENDMENTS IN THE
09:48:44 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
09:48:46 REVISIT POLICY 2.2.3, ON MULTIMODAL CORRIDORS.
09:48:51 IT WAS SAID THAT WAS VAGUE.
09:48:53 REVISIT POLICY 3.6.2, THAT IS ON RATTLESNAKE POINT.
09:49:00 REVISIT 3.1.17 AND 3.1.18 THAT WERE ABOUT THE DESCRIPTIONS
09:49:08 OF THE LAND USE CATEGORIES.
09:49:09 REVISIT HOW NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS ARE ADDRESSED
09:49:16 AND MAKE THAT MORE -- MAKE THEM MORE DISTINCT.
09:49:20 REVISIT THE ROUNDING.
09:49:23 AND IF THAT CAN BE REINTRODUCED IN CERTAIN AREAS.
09:49:27 AND THEN REVISIT POLICY 3.2.1 ON THE LOCATIONAL CRITERIA.
09:49:34 AND FOR ALL OF THESE THAT ARE BEING ASKED TO BE REVISITED,
09:49:40 WE WOULD LIKE IT CLEAR THAT IT -- THAT WE ARE ALSO GOING TO
09:49:44 BE REVIEWING ALL OF THE POLICIES IN THE PLAN, INCLUDING
09:49:48 THESE FOR IMPLICATIONS OF SENATE BILL 180.
09:49:52 AND SO, THAT IS WHY -- SO JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
09:49:57 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:50:00 >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN WE ADD IN TABLE THREE?
09:50:03 >> SO I WOULD LIKE A SEPARATE MOTION ON TABLE 3.
09:50:06 AND A SEPARATE MOTION ON 3.3.6 ON TOWN HOMES.
09:50:11 >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, GREAT.
09:50:12 I MAKE A MOTION TO REVISIT POLICIES 9.4, 9.5, THE FOWLER
09:50:19 REGIONAL, 7.1.2, 2.2.3, 2.6.2, 3.1.17., 3.1.18, COMMERCIAL
09:50:37 DISTRICTS AND 3.2.1 -- SORRY, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
09:50:40 NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AND 3.2.1, WHILE ALSO
09:50:46 VISITING -- LOOKING AT THE REST OF THE POLICIES IN REGARDS
09:50:51 TO THIS.
09:50:53 I AM SORRY, SENATE BILL 180, THANK YOU.
09:50:56 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I NEED CLARIFICATION.
09:50:58 WHAT DOES -- WHAT DOES "REVISITING" MEAN?
09:51:03 >>LYNN HURTAK: WELL, WE ARE USING THAT, BECAUSE I THINK -- SO SOME OF
09:51:06 THESE POLICIES ARE INTERRELATED.
09:51:08 AND SO IF WE MAKE ONE CHANGE IN ONE PLACE, IT MAY MEAN THAT
09:51:13 THE OTHER POLICY GOES AWAY OR THAT THERE ARE OTHER CHANGES
09:51:20 THAT ARE NEEDED.
09:51:20 SO I THINK WE ARE -- WE ARE SAYING THAT BECAUSE THEY NEED TO
09:51:24 BE RELOOKED AT.
09:51:25 THEY NEED TO BE RELOOKED AT TOGETHER WITH THE REST OF THE
09:51:29 PLAN.
09:51:29 WE NEED TO -- WE HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE RECORD
09:51:35 ABOUT, I THINK, THE DIRECTION THE PUBLIC WANTED TO GO, BUT
09:51:39 WE HAVE TO SEE HOW IT ALL FITS TOGETHER.
09:51:41 I AM A LITTLE CAUTIOUS TO SAY EXACTLY HOW WE ARE GOING TO
09:51:45 CHANGE EACH ONE OF THOSE.
09:51:47 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T
09:51:50 NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT IS OUT OR IN.
09:51:52 IT IS REALLY IN THE COLLOQUIAL WAY OF REVISITING.
09:51:58 IF YOU ARE GOING TO WAY IT OUT IN A FAIR AND EQUITABLE WAY
09:52:02 AGAIN.
09:52:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
09:52:04 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:52:05 A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN MIRANDA.
09:52:08 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:52:09 >>BILL CARLSON: TO REITERATE WHAT I SAID EARLIER.
09:52:11 MY TEST WHEN IT COMES BACK IS, I WANT TO HEAR THIS IS -- WE
09:52:15 LISTENED TO THE PUBLIC AND HERE IS WHAT WE DID AS A RESULT.
09:52:19 AT LEAST THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME, NOT -- WE LISTEN TO THE
09:52:23 PUBLIC AND THEY ARE WRONG AND WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING
09:52:26 ELSE.
09:52:27 ANYWAY, I THINK YOU ALL GOT THAT.
09:52:29 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALSO 1500 RESPONSES -- 1800 TOO.
09:52:34 SO NOT JUST WHO WAS HERE TONIGHT.
09:52:37 THEY GOT A LOT OF OTHER PUBLIC INPUT TO DIGEST.
09:52:40 MR. SHELBY.
09:52:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A REQUEST OR SUGGESTION TO COUNCIL.
09:52:44 WHEN THE MINUTES FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING SOMETHING RELEASED,
09:52:49 IF YOU CAN PLEASE REVIEW THE MINUTES.
09:52:52 BECAUSE IF THERE IS ANY DISCREPANCY OR SOMETHING, A
09:52:56 MISCOMMUNICATION.
09:52:57 NOT THAT WE GET IT WRONG, BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I
09:53:02 DON'T WANT IT GO DOWN THE LINE --
09:53:05 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BETTER WORD THAN "REVISITING?"
09:53:08 BECAUSE I THINK SEE THAT AS A POINT OF CONTENTION.
09:53:11 I AM NOT THE LAWYER OVER THERE.
09:53:12 SUSAN, IT LOOKED LIKE YOU HAD A SUGGESTION.
09:53:15 >>LYNN HURTAK: REVISIT IS APPROPRIATE.
09:53:17 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EVERYBODY THINKS THAT IS OKAY?
09:53:19 OKAY, I WILL GO WITH THAT.
09:53:20 A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:53:21 A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
09:53:23 MR. SHELBY.
09:53:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A COMMENT AND NO REFLECTION
09:53:28 PERSONALLY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, BUT JUST A COMMENT.
09:53:31 HOW YOU STATE IS HOW YOU WOULD WEIGH IT INDIVIDUALLY --
09:53:36 >>BILL CARLSON: I SAID EARLIER I AM ONLY ONE OF SEVEN.
09:53:39 I SAID THAT TWICE.
09:53:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS TRUE.
09:53:41 I WANT COUNCIL TO KNOW AND A DISCUSSION I MAY HAVE HAD
09:53:44 PRIVATELY WITH SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS.
09:53:46 UNLESS IT IS PART OF A MOTION, WHAT ONE COUNCIL MEMBERS DOES
09:53:51 NOT INCORPORATE INTO THE MOTION UNLESS YOU DO SO FORMALLY.
09:53:54 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
09:53:55 WITHOUT FURTHER DISCUSSION.
09:53:56 WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
09:53:58 ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:53:59 OPPOSED?
09:54:01 THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
09:54:03 OKAY.
09:54:04 TABLE 3.
09:54:05 A MOTION?
09:54:06 >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM MAKING A MOTION TO HAVE STAFF -- I DON'T
09:54:11 EVEN WANT YOU TO REVISIT IT, BUT TO CONSIDER ELIMINATING
09:54:15 TABLE 3 AND THE IMPLICATIONS.
09:54:17 NO, THAT WASN'T IT?
09:54:19 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: TABLE 3 IS -- IF YOU DID THAT, IT WOULD
09:54:24 ELIMINATE THE DENSITY LIMITS ALL TOGETHER.
09:54:25 SO WE DON'T WANT TO ELIMINATE IT, BUT WE WANT TO --
09:54:29 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: REVISIT IT.
09:54:31 [LAUGHTER]
09:54:33 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: I DO THINK THIS IS A PLACE WHERE I AM
09:54:36 HEARING A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
09:54:36 I AM HEARING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT INCREASING BY RIGHT THAT
09:54:41 DENSITY IS NOT A BAD THING PERHAPS.
09:54:43 AND THEN I AM HEARING SOME CONCERN ABOUT DOING THAT.
09:54:48 THAT IS WHERE THAT IS ALL ENCAPSULATED IN THAT TABLE.
09:54:52 AND IF WE -- IF WE GO BACK TO THE WAY THAT IT IS HANDLED
09:54:57 NOW, THE DENSITY AND THE LAND USE CATEGORIES, IT IS LIKE
09:55:01 IT'S -- LIKE CMU, IT IS 30, AND THEY CAN DO THIS BONUS
09:55:07 AGREEMENT TO GET TO 35.
09:55:09 OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO ELIMINATE THAT AND GO DOWN TO 30
09:55:14 IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND GO UP TO 35 OUTSIDE OF
09:55:19 THE COASTAL HAZARD AREA.
09:55:21 SO, AGAIN, IT IS YOUR PLEASURE WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO
09:55:25 DO.
09:55:25 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S FIRST ITERATION
09:55:28 OF THIS.
09:55:31 >>LYNN HURTAK: WITH THE BY RIGHT.
09:55:32 ANYBODY ELSE?
09:55:39 >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO HAVE A LONGER DISCUSSION ON THAT.
09:55:41 I ALSO TALKED TO ERIC -- I TALKED TO ERIC FROM THE
09:55:45 DEPARTMENT PEOPLE, AND HE IS GOING TO TALK TO SOME OTHER
09:55:48 FOLKS.
09:55:48 THEY HAVE DATA FROM OUR MARKET AND GOT DATA FROM OTHER
09:55:51 MARKETS ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY COST OF HAVING THIS BONUS
09:55:54 STRUCTURE VERSUS JUST ALLOWING BY RIGHT.
09:55:57 IT LOOKS LIKE IT COSTS US A LOT OF MONEY.
09:55:59 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:56:00 >>LYNN HURTAK: SO IT SEEMS LIKE JUST --
09:56:06 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: WE HEARD A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY ABOUT
09:56:10 WANTING TO GO BACK TO THE OLD WAY OF HANDLING IT WITH THE TWO
09:56:16 TIERED DENSITY IN TABLE 3.
09:56:18 SO THAT IS WHY WE FLAGGED IT, BUT IT WASN'T CLEAR WHAT YOU
09:56:22 ALL THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
09:56:23 >>LYNN HURTAK: I KIND OF TEND TO AGREE WITH CHAIR CLENDENIN.
09:56:30 WE ARE ALL TIRED NOW.
09:56:32 I TEND TO AGREE THAT -- AND IT SOUNDS LIKE COUNCILMAN
09:56:38 CARLSON IS ALSO INTERESTED IN CONTINUING THAT BY RIGHT OR
09:56:42 MANAGING THAT BY RIGHT AND TAKING OUT BONUS WHEN -- YEAH, SO
09:56:49 I AM FINE WITH THAT.
09:56:49 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: UNTIL NEW FACTS BECOME AVAILABLE.
09:56:53 >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT DO WE WANT THEM TO DO WITH THE TABLE
09:56:56 THEN, LEAVE IT?
09:56:58 BECAUSE THE PUBLIC ASKED US NOT TO.
09:57:00 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO PLANNING COMMISSION --
09:57:03 >>BILL CARLSON: WHY DON'T WE DO THIS --
09:57:06 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU HAVE 1800 OTHER COMMENT TOO.
09:57:09 YOU WEIGH OUT, HOW MUCH INTEREST WAS THIS.
09:57:13 >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
09:57:15 STAFF.
09:57:15 BEFORE I ANSWER THAT QUESTION --IT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION --
09:57:18 I WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL IT HAS BEEN A WHILE.
09:57:22 THIS WAS THE TOPIC ON JUNE 7, 2024.
09:57:25 AND IT WAS -- WE CAME TO YOU IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024 WITH THIS
09:57:29 COMPROMISE, BECAUSE WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT FOLKS DID
09:57:33 NOT -- DID NOT LIKE THE STRUCTURE AS WE PROPOSED IN JUNE,
09:57:37 WHICH IS BRINGING EVERYBODY UP TO THE 35, AND THEN THE BONUS
09:57:40 BEING A TRUE BONUS ON TOP OF --
09:57:43 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE AWAY STUFF FOR
09:57:46 FREE.
09:57:46 >>JENNIFER MALONE: EXACTLY.
09:57:47 AGAIN, THE PROPOSAL IN LU TABLE 3 IS THE COMPROMISE.
09:57:52 NOW WE DID NOT HEAR TOO MUCH ABOUT THIS SINCE THAT
09:57:59 COMPROMISE.
09:58:00 IT KIND OF BUBBLED UP AGAIN THROUGH THE OUTREACH THAT WE DID
09:58:03 THIS SUMMER.
09:58:04 BUT UNTIL THEN, I HAD -- I THOUGHT WE WERE OPERATING IN GOOD
09:58:10 FAITH WE HAD COMPROMISED WITH THE COMMUNITY.
09:58:13 BUT WE WILL TAKE WHATEVER DIRECTION COUNCIL GIVES US.
09:58:17 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:58:18 >>BILL CARLSON: THAT ARGUMENT WAS ABOUT GIVING ADDITIONAL
09:58:22 RIGHTS.
09:58:22 YEAH, IF WE ARE GIVING -- AND THIS IS WHAT THEY SAID THEY
09:58:26 WANT TO CHANGE IT BACK TO WHAT IT WAS.
09:58:29 BUT MY ARGUMENT ABOUT BONUS DENSITY IS SEPARATE FROM THIS.
9:59:27PM IF YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW
9:59:29PM SOMEONE TO GO UP TO A CERTAIN LEVEL, LET OTHERS IN THE SAME
9:59:30PM CATEGORY AT THE SAME LEVEL.
9:59:33PM BUT CHANGING THE ENTITLEMENT WITHIN A CATEGORY, THAT'S WHAT
9:59:35PM THE COMMUNITY IS NOT IN FAVOR OF DOING.
9:59:39PM >> IT'S SO TOUGH BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE CATEGORIES OPERATE AS
9:59:42PM A BONUS WITHIN THE CATEGORIES.
9:59:44PM SO PEOPLE HAVE TO BONUS TO GET THE MAXIMUM OUT OF THEIR
9:59:48PM CATEGORY TODAY.
9:59:49PM THAT'S WHERE THE NUANCE IS.
9:59:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN WE ASK THEM TO REVISIT IT AND HAVE
9:59:55PM CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AND HAVE MEETINGS WITH THE PUBLIC?
9:59:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
9:59:59PM LET'S REVISIT TABLE 2 -- OR TABLE 3.
10:00:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:00:04PM A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA TO REVISIT TABLE THREE.
10:00:09PM THAT JUST MEANS REVISIT IT.
10:00:11PM NOT NECESSARILY ANYTHING ELSE.
10:00:12PM JUST REVISIT IT.
10:00:14PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
10:00:14PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
10:00:16PM OPPOSED?
10:00:16PM THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
10:00:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT WAS THE LAST ONE?
10:00:23PM >> TWO OTHER THINGS REAL QUICK.
10:00:26PM THE POLICY 3.3.6 ON TOWNHOMES, THERE WAS THE COMMUNITY WAS
10:00:36PM SAYING THEY WANTED TO SEE US GO BACK TO AN OLDER VERSION OF
10:00:40PM THE DRAFT THAT INCLUDED COLLECTOR ROADS, THAT THEY HAD TO
10:00:48PM HAVE ALLEYWAYS, AND THAT THERE WAS AN F.A.R. FOR IT.
10:00:54PM BUT THEN I ALSO HEARD FROM SOME OF YOU ALL MAYBE THAT THAT
10:01:00PM MAY BE GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
10:01:02PM I WASN'T CLEAR ON THAT.
10:01:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WAS ME.
10:01:06PM I THINK AT THIS POINT THAT WE INCENTIVIZE ON TRANSIT
10:01:12PM CORRIDORS, AND THEN WE JUST STICK WITH OUR CURRENT POLICY OF
10:01:15PM TOWNHOMES, LIMITED TOWNHOMES BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE'RE
10:01:19PM DOING IS WORKING.
10:01:21PM AND WE ALSO CAN -- OH, WHAT I DID WANT IS HOW DO WE THEN --
10:01:27PM WHAT IS THE GOAL -- HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE?
10:01:30PM HOW DO WE TAKE THAT TOWNHOME, THE LIMITED TOWNHOME IN R-10,
10:01:35PM HOW DO WE THEN RAMP UP AND INCENTIVIZE THAT IN THE AREAS, IN
10:01:40PM THE AREAS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH MORE DENSITY?
10:01:45PM >> OKAY.
10:01:45PM WHAT I'M HEARING AS A POTENTIAL MOTION IS TO UTILIZE THE
10:01:50PM CURRENT POLICY IN THE PLAN TODAY ABOUT LIMITED TOWNHOMES IN
10:01:54PM THE R-10, BUT ALSO LOOK AT STRATEGIES TO TRY AND FOCUS AND
10:02:00PM INCENTIVIZE THAT IN CERTAIN PLACES.
10:02:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
10:02:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A QUESTION.
10:02:06PM DEFINE LIMITED.
10:02:10PM >> WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO.
10:02:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING?
10:02:16PM THAT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME.
10:02:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
10:02:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE OLD POLICY WAS LIMITED.
10:02:20PM THE PROBLEM WAS, HOW DO YOU DEFINE LIMITED?
10:02:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
10:02:24PM SB 180 IS ONE OF THOSE WHERE WE CAN'T TAKE THAT POSSIBLE
10:02:28PM RIGHT AWAY.
10:02:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BECAUSE I THINK -- I MEAN, SOMEBODY FROM
10:02:36PM LAND USE LEGAL PERSON, IF SOMEBODY APPEALED A DECISION
10:02:40PM COUNCIL MADE, DENIED A TOWN HOUSE WITH LIMITED LANGUAGE,
10:02:44PM WITHOUT OTHER JUSTIFICATION, HOW WOULD YOU EVER WIN THAT
10:02:48PM CASE?
10:02:50PM >> JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
10:02:52PM THE DRAFT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT SAID PRIMARILY INTENDED TO BE
10:02:54PM LOCATED IN THESE AREAS.
10:02:56PM SO THE WAY THAT WE CRAFTED IT, BASED ON ALL THIS FEEDBACK,
10:03:00PM WAS THAT SOMEBODY COULD STILL ASK, BUT THEY ARE NOT MEETING
10:03:03PM THE CRITERIA WHERE IT'S PRIMARILY LOCATED.
10:03:06PM THAT WAS KIND OF THE COMPROMISE.
10:03:09PM I DO DEFER TO SUSAN TO ANSWER THE REST OF THE QUESTIONS.
10:03:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TO HAVE LEGALLY DEFENDABLE LANGUAGE.
10:03:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK YOU DO BECAUSE YOU DON'T JUST SAY,
10:03:19PM WE'VE NEVER POINTED TO THE POLICY AND SAY IT SAYS LIMITED
10:03:22PM TOWNHOMES.
10:03:23PM WE ACTUALLY POINT TO THE ACTUAL POLICY.
10:03:29PM >> WHICH THE ONE ABOUT PERIPHERY OF SINGLE-FAMILY
10:03:33PM NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:03:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH.
10:03:35PM WE DON'T EVER CITE THAT PARTICULAR ONE.
10:03:37PM WE CITE MORE SPECIFIC POLICIES.
10:03:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY POINT IS, WHY WOULD WE LEAVE IT IN
10:03:42PM THERE?
10:03:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY THERE.
10:03:44PM AND BECAUSE WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS ALLOW NEIGHBORHOODS
10:03:47PM THAT WANT THAT TO PUSH IT MORE AND IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT
10:03:52PM DON'T, THEY CAN ASK, BUT THEY MAY NOT GET IT.
10:03:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DOES THAT ACCOMPLISH THAT?
10:03:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THEM TO REVISIT -- I'M
10:04:01PM SORRY, WHAT NUMBER WAS THAT?
10:04:03PM >> 3.3.6.
10:04:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK: 3.3.6 TO SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT MORE, I
10:04:10PM GUESS, MALLEABLE.
10:04:12PM HOW WE CAN TAKE THAT LIMITED TOWNHOME POLICY.
10:04:16PM BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IN SOME PLACES THEY SEE THAT AS, OH, WE
10:04:19PM DON'T WANT TOWNHOMES THERE AT ALL.
10:04:21PM THEN I SEE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SAY, WHY IS THAT THE
10:04:24PM ONLY PLACE WE COULD PUT TOWNHOMES OR WHY WOULD THAT --
10:04:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT DO I WANT FROM BILL?
10:04:32PM I KNOW HE WANTS OUT OF HERE.
10:04:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: REVISIT 3.3.6 AND TO TAKE OUT THE SPECIFIC
10:04:41PM TOWNHOME CORRIDORS, LEAVE IN THE LANGUAGE FOR LIMITED
10:04:45PM TOWNHOMES AND LOOK AT WAYS THAT WE CAN INCENTIVIZE TOWNHOMES
10:04:50PM IN OTHER -- IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT REALLY WANT MORE DENSITY.
10:04:56PM >> SECOND.
10:04:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT LATER ON,
10:05:01PM TOO.
10:05:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT CRACKS ME UP THAT IT'S R-10.
10:05:06PM THAT IS A WHOLE OTHER DISCUSSION.
10:05:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AGREE.
10:05:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:05:12PM A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:05:15PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
10:05:16PM OPPOSED?
10:05:17PM THE AYES HAVE IT.
10:05:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE QUICK COMMENT ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING.
10:05:24PM I HAD SOMEBODY CONTACT ME IN THE BREAK AND SAY, WHY DID YOU
10:05:29PM WANT TO -- ESSENTIALLY, WHY DID YOU WANT TO THROW OUT
10:05:32PM TRANSIT ON DALE MABRY?
10:05:33PM I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY TO ANYBODY WATCHING, THE IDEA OF
10:05:38PM TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS, OR WHATEVER, IS THAT WE WILL PUT
10:05:41PM THE BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE AND DENSITY IN PLACE BEFORE
10:05:46PM TRANSIT, AND IT'S A CHICKEN AND THE EGG, AS ANY PLANNER
10:05:50PM KNOWS, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRANSIT WON'T GO THERE.
10:05:53PM IT ALSO DOESN'T MEAN THAT DEVELOPMENT WON'T GO THERE.
10:05:56PM WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT IN AREAS WHERE PEOPLE DON'T WANT
10:06:00PM DENSITY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT IT IN BY RIGHT.
10:06:02PM WE'LL GO IN AND USE A SCALPEL AND FIGURE OUT IDEALLY TRANSIT
10:06:06PM NODES AND BUILD LITTLE POCKETS OF DENSITY AROUND IT.
10:06:10PM IF WE DON'T GET IT IN THIS EDITION, WE UPDATE THE
10:06:14PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALL THE TIME.
10:06:15PM WE'RE NOT GIVING UP ON TRANSIT.
10:06:17PM WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO IT IN A MORE LASER-TARGETED WAY.
10:06:20PM THANK YOU.
10:06:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AGAIN, I THINK PART OF THIS DISCUSSION IS
10:06:23PM WE HEAR THAT WE GET THE NUGGETS THAT WE CAN, AND
10:06:29PM INCREMENTALISM AND THEN BUILD FROM THERE.
10:06:32PM IN A PERFECT WORLD, THIS WOULD NOT BE MY FUTURE LAND USE.
10:06:35PM IT'S NOT A PERFECT WORLD, SO I'LL GET WHAT I CAN GET.
10:06:39PM >>BILL CARLSON: PEOPLE ASK WHY PLACES LIKE CHINA AND
10:06:43PM SINGAPORE, BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT HAS FULL CONTROL.
10:06:46PM THEY TEAR OUT EVERYTHING --
10:06:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THAT WHY YOU LIKE SINGAPORE?
10:06:50PM IS THAT YOUR SUGGESTION?
10:06:53PM IS THAT HOW YOU'RE PLANNING ON BUILDING THE CITY OF TAMPA,
10:06:56PM MR. CARLSON?
10:06:57PM [ LAUGHTER ]
10:06:57PM I'M SORRY.
10:07:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT ELSE?
10:07:02PM >> I DID WANT TO RECOMMEND A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS HEARING
10:07:10PM TO -- HOLD ON.
10:07:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT.
10:07:15PM >> TO A SPECIAL CALL LAND USE MEETING IN EARLY FEBRUARY.
10:07:19PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A DATE.
10:07:23PM WE HAVE TO HAVE A DATE.
10:07:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE 4th OR 5th.
10:07:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I BE RECOGNIZED?
10:07:34PM ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR SUBSTANTIVE MOTIONS AT THIS POINT?
10:07:38PM >> YES.
10:07:39PM THIS ONE IS ABOUT WHAT WE DO NEXT.
10:07:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL NOT BE HERE THE FIRST WEEK OF
10:07:43PM FEBRUARY, FYI.
10:07:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
10:07:49PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN'T DO IT SOONER, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE
10:07:52PM SAYING?
10:07:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ISSUE IS THAT THEY NEED TO -- THEY NEED
10:07:58PM MONTHS TO WRAP THEIR HEAD AROUND LOOK AT LANGUAGE.
10:08:01PM THEY ARE DOING COMP PLANS FOR OTHER CITIES RIGHT NOW TOO.
10:08:07PM >> TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S POINT, WE NEED TIME TO REVISIT
10:08:12PM EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID, LITERALLY REVISIT ALL THE
10:08:16PM THINGS YOU TOLD US TO REVISIT.
10:08:19PM ALSO, WE HAVE THE ADDED UNCERTAINTY OF SENATE BILL 180 AND
10:08:23PM THE COMPLEXITY OF NEEDING TO KIND OF LOOK AT EVERYTHING
10:08:28PM THROUGH THAT LENS AND MAKE SURE WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT WHAT
10:08:31PM WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU ISN'T RUNNING AFOUL OF THAT.
10:08:37PM IN ADDITION, WE HEARD FEEDBACK ABOUT TONIGHT ABOUT WANTING
10:08:43PM COUNCIL, THE SEAT FOR DISTRICT FIVE BEING FILLED, THEY ARE
10:08:47PM GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH AN ELECTION FOR THE NEXT TWO
10:08:52PM MONTHS FOR THAT SEAT PROBABLY, AND THEN WE HIT THE HOLIDAYS.
10:08:56PM SO IN TERMS OF BRINGING A DRAFT BACK AND HAVING AN
10:09:01PM OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO GET TO LOOK AT IT, I DON'T
10:09:04PM THINK IT'S REALISTIC FOR US TO HAVE THAT UNTIL JANUARY, AND
10:09:12PM THEN THE OTHER PART OF MY SUGGESTION WAS THAT STAFF APPEAR
10:09:16PM AND PRESENT ON THE NEXT STEPS SOMETIME AT YOUR PLEASURE
10:09:21PM AFTER THE BUDGET I GUESS.
10:09:24PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
10:09:26PM I JUST WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ACTIVITY
10:09:29PM TONIGHT, BUT THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING THAT'S BEEN
10:09:32PM NOTICED.
10:09:32PM SO WE WOULD NEED TO CONTINUE IT TO A DATE AND TIME CERTAIN
10:09:36PM IN ORDER TO PRESERVE --
10:09:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MORE COMPLICATED --
10:09:40PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: CORRECT.
10:09:41PM ALSO, I WOULD ASK THAT THE MOTION RELATE TO ALL THREE AND
10:09:46PM NOT JUST THE ONE WE'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON.
10:09:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW ABOUT FEBRUARY 17?
10:09:52PM CAN WE DO TUESDAY NIGHTS?
10:09:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: INFORM THE COUNCIL WHAT WE'RE TALKING
10:10:01PM ABOUT.
10:10:02PM TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE.
10:10:04PM >>THE CLERK: MARTY WAS INQUIRING IF I HAD ACCESS TO YOUR
10:10:07PM CALENDAR TO CHAMBERS.
10:10:09PM ONLY SULING AND TONYA HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
10:10:12PM I'M CHATTING WITH SULING TO SEE.
10:10:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS THE THING, YOU CANNOT CHANGE IT.
10:10:22PM YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE -- YOU HAVE THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS.
10:10:25PM THEY ALL HAVE A NOTICE TRAIN.
10:10:28PM THEY HAVE TO BE CONTINUED TO DATE, TIME AND LOCATION
10:10:31PM CERTAIN.
10:10:37PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
10:10:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN SHE CHECK FEBRUARY 17?
10:10:42PM IT'S A TUESDAY NIGHT.
10:10:44PM HOW IS EVERYBODY ELSE'S FEBRUARY 17?
10:10:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: 17, THAT FOLLOWING THURSDAY IS A REGULAR
10:10:54PM COUNCIL MEETING.
10:10:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, FEBRUARY 17 IT IS, 5:01 P.M.
10:11:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE TO CLARIFY THIS.
10:11:05PM WHEN THIS CONTINUES -- DO WE NEED TO OPEN BEFORE WE
10:11:12PM CONTINUE?
10:11:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
10:11:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I NEED A MOTION TO OPEN ITEM NUMBER 3 AND
10:11:16PM ITEM NUMBER 4.
10:11:18PM MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:11:19PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:11:21PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
10:11:22PM OPPOSED?
10:11:23PM I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE TRANSMITTAL HEARINGS.
10:11:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE TO CONTINUE FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 24-04,
10:11:41PM FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 24-05, FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 24-06 TO
10:11:49PM FEBRUARY 17, 2026, AT 5:01 P.M., 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD,
10:11:57PM THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
10:12:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS A CONTINUED TRANSMITTAL PUBLIC
10:12:08PM HEARING.
10:12:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, CONTINUED TRANSMITTAL PUBLIC HEARING --
10:12:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ON EACH OF THE ITEMS.
10:12:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I ASK THAT THE CLERK RENOTICE --
10:12:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WILL BE AUTOMATIC.
10:12:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, IT IS NOT.
10:12:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT'S NOT.
10:12:24PM THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN NOTICED TO ITS ORIGINAL TRANSMITTAL
10:12:33PM PUBLIC HEARING FROM MAY 22, 2025.
10:12:35PM WAS THAT THE FIRST TIME IT WAS ON FOR TRANSMITTAL?
10:12:39PM >> YES.
10:12:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BASICALLY IN EFFECT, THE NOTICE LEGALLY --
10:12:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WAS DONE IN MAY.
10:12:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
10:12:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M ASKING STAFF TO RENOTICE IT BECAUSE OF
10:12:49PM THE TIME FRAME.
10:12:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THAT APPROPRIATE?
10:12:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHEN YOU SAY NOTICE --
10:12:56PM >> WELL, THE NOTICE FOR THIS TYPE OF PUBLIC HEARING IS AN AD
10:13:00PM IN THE NEWSPAPER.
10:13:02PM >> JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
10:13:04PM USUALLY WHEN WE ASK COUNCIL TO MAKE MOTIONS ABOUT PLAN
10:13:06PM AMENDMENT HEARINGS, THERE'S LANGUAGE AT THE END THAT SAYS
10:13:09PM SOMETHING LIKE HAVE -- DIRECT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO
10:13:12PM PROVIDE THE CITY CLERK WITH THE FORM OF NOTICING.
10:13:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
10:13:16PM I ALSO ASK THAT CITY LEGAL PROVIDE THE CLERK WITH THE FORM
10:13:21PM OF NOTICE SO THAT WE CAN SEND ANOTHER NOTICE.
10:13:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: USUALLY IN FRONT OF US IN WRITTEN FORMAT.
10:13:28PM >> USUALLY IN FRONT OF ME IN WRITTEN FORMAT TOO.
10:13:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, WHICH IS A
10:13:34PM VERY GOOD SUGGESTION, THERE'S BEEN NO DISCUSSION TONIGHT ON
10:13:39PM TA/CPA 24-05 OR 24-06, MAYBE IT'S BEST FOR THE PURPOSES OF
10:13:45PM THIS RECORD, BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN NOW OPENED, JUST ASK IF
10:13:49PM THERE'S ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THE CONTINUANCE.
10:13:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES
10:13:55PM TO SPEAK TO ITEMS 3 OR 4?
10:13:57PM HEARING NONE, OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM
10:14:03PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:14:04PM WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:14:06PM THIS IS ON THE CONTINUATIONS OF ALL THREE TRANSMITTAL
10:14:11PM HEARINGS.
10:14:12PM WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
10:14:13PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
10:14:14PM OPPOSED?
10:14:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DID THAT STATE THE DATE?
10:14:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
10:14:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THE LOCATION.
10:14:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SHE DID.
10:14:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M SORRY IF YOU DID NOT HEAR IT.
10:14:24PM I DID SAY IT.
10:14:26PM I GOT IT.
10:14:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL THOSE OPPOSED?
10:14:29PM THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
10:14:31PM THANK YOU.
10:14:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ONE MORE THING.
10:14:33PM WE WANTED TO ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF TO COME BACK
10:14:38PM AFTER BUDGET SEASON -- WELL, I JUST TALKED THIS THROUGH WITH
10:14:44PM THEM.
10:14:45PM >>BILL CARLSON: MELISSA SAID HER LAST THING WAS WE NEED TO
10:14:49PM SCHEDULE --
10:14:49PM >> A TIME FOR STAFF TO APPEAR AND PRESENT ABOUT THE NEXT
10:14:53PM STEPS SO THAT WE CAN --
10:14:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FIND US A DATE, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:14:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT -- HOW IS THE
10:15:00PM BEGINNING OF OCTOBER, OCTOBER 9?
10:15:02PM IT WILL BE THE LAST AND FINAL STAFF REPORT WE CAN HAVE ON
10:15:08PM THAT AGENDA.
10:15:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU?
10:15:23PM >> I'M GETTING FEEDBACK THAT YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE DISTRICT 5
10:15:27PM HERE FOR THAT UPDATE.
10:15:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE WON'T HAVE THAT PERSON UNTIL THE END OF
10:15:33PM OCTOBER.
10:15:34PM YOU REALLY THINK SOMEONE IS GETTING 50% OF THE VOTE.
10:15:39PM THE SECOND VOTE IS OCTOBER 28.
10:15:41PM I DON'T THINK WE CAN WAIT THAT LONG JUST TO GET A TIMELINE.
10:15:48PM ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS A TIMELINE.
10:15:50PM >> YEAH, OCTOBER 9 IS FINE.
10:15:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOTION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF
10:15:55PM COME AND GIVE US A TIMELINE -- THEIR PROSPECTIVE TIMELINE
10:16:01PM AND UPDATE ON THEIR PROGRESS ON OCTOBER 9.
10:16:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:16:04PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:16:06PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
10:16:08PM OPPOSED?
10:16:08PM THE AYES HAVE IT.
10:16:10PM WE DON'T HAVE TO DO NEW BUSINESS.
10:16:22PM HEARING NO OBJECTION, I'VE GOT A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
10:16:29PM IS THERE A SECOND?
10:16:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU FOR THE TIME.
10:16:34PM THIS IS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME.
10:16:35PM I KNOW IT'S FRUSTRATING.
10:16:37PM HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC IS A GREAT THING.
10:16:39PM YOU REALLY LISTENED TO EVERYBODY TONIGHT, INCLUDING US.
10:16:41PM THANK YOU.
10:16:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCILMAN
10:16:46PM MANISCALCO, SECOND FROM MIRANDA.
10:16:48PM ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
10:16:49PM GOOD NIGHT, EVERYBODY.
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